I'm glad that i decided to read your comment, now i understand the story & gay relationship more. To be honest i really hate the old man at first but then i think again maybe there are some deep story about them in past. But the translated manhwa isn't complete so i end up just wondering before.
And about gay relationship, well, i just a girl i know little about that but it's good to know more so i didn't end up like a stupid girl & reader who knows nothing and only believing on story. I'm glad to understand each other more! (●'◡'●)ﾉ
Yes. Usually, some things are lost during translations as venecular and other factors differs with each other. Glad to help. (=・ω・=)
I agree
I actually think it's more complicated. The old man only desires Mookul but he won't let Mookul fully feel his love. He actually wants Mookul to overpower him someday because he loves Mookul and wants to give him everything like a father should but he can't make himself do this because his desire for Mookul is too great. He knows it's wrong since Mookul was just a child and that's where the big conflict in their relationship stems. So he needs Mookul to force his hand. In order to achieve this, he keeps Mookul at a distance most of the time and then sometimes fully embraces him. Mookul is a lonely, needy creature. Since the old man won't fully embrace him, Mookul betrayed the old man first with his partner and then with others. He needs something to help ease his loneliness and the old mans conflicting feelings won't let him do it. The old man actually makes Mookul feel lonelier. That's why when Ewon comes along, Mookul clings to him so desperately
The relationship between the chairman and Mookyul is more complicate than that. I wrote about it a little while ago which you can read about if anyone’s interested by clicking on the name (sorry if it seems like shameless promotion). But what I wanted to talk about was most of the readers are curious about.
1. The man Mookyul slept with in Sangchul’s Diary wasn’t the chairman’s lover.
2. “The old man doesn’t like piercing holes in my body... in more ways than one.”
All we know about the man Mookyul slept with was that he was “a trusted aide” that had been working with the chairman for “ten years.” There wasn’t any mention of him being the chairman’s lover. The chairman seemed more shocked about Mookyul having sex in front of him. The chairman was betrayed, as well, because the aide had first been against letting Mookyul into the family (gang) and ending up sleeping with Mookyul either way. I would feel betrayed as well.
The other thing is that the author made it pretty clear that Mookyul was never penetrated during sex with the chairman. When I first read the line, I also thought that Mookyul was lying or not being truthful or I was misinterpreting, but it’s pretty clear now that I read it again after a couple of years. The author wouldn’t have added “in more ways than one” if he didn’t want the audience to know that Mookyul wasn’t getting penetrated. Its authorial intent and pretty brazen.
Now I do agree with you that this isn’t how real relationships work. There’s no fixed positon in sex; it’s whatever feels good. The thing is that this a yaoi manga/manhwa, so 9/10 times there is a fixed position (sex-wise). It’s very difficult to find a manga where the characters switch. There’s nothing wrong with switching and it is realistic, but the authors usually don’t portray this. Maybe they think it’s more appealing if the characters each have a fixed role which is kind of evidenced by all the commentators freaking out below (and above probably).
Just to drive home the point, the author mentioned (in an untranslated note at the end of one of the chapters) that Mookyul never had penetrative sex with the chairman. There’s stigma that being “on the bottom” is supposed to make you inferior which goes into sexist thinking and I won’t continue, but it’s frustrating and not true. There’s more than one way (penetrative) to have sex.
To conclude, the chairman’s and Mookyul’s relationship is more complicated than that and Mookyul didn’t have penetrative sex with the chairman.
I could always be wrong. It all depends on the diction and translation.
so what your saying is that the old man actually never did him from the bottom?
Well that's what the author said in the note. Realistically speaking that's not how real relationships work, so if you'd prefer, you can think otherwise. But no, there was no penetrative sex. They probably did it other ways (i.e. blowjobs and other things I'm not going to mention).
so no intercorce..
Intercourse is sex and they obviously had sex. It just wasn't penetrative.
Intercourse is sex and they obviously had sex. It just wasn't penetrative.
Witch makes mookyul the uke if they had intercource witch is sex so they did do it though . Bcs thats what INTERCOURCE stands for haha
There's more than one way to have sex. For example, there's oral sex. Intercourse is "the physical sexual contact between individuals that involves the genitalia of at least one person"; it doesn't have to be penetrative for it to be considered intercourse.
After Ewon found out and they were arguing, Ewon told Mookyul to stop arguing about the logistics of sex ("Are you telling me that he wasn't inside you? That's not what matters right now"). That's what Mookyul meant when he said that he wasn't having the same kind sex with the president as he was having with Ewon.
So he didnt do the things he does with ewon is what you mean
The President and Mookyul did have sex which is an indisputable fact. It just wasn't penetrative which is hinted at and blatantly told throughout the manhwa and in the author's note. There's no "top/bottom" involved (which isn't how real sex works but this is a work of fiction).
So, no, Mookyul doesn't have sex the same way as he does with Ewon. Besides how Mookyul and the President have sex isn't relevant to the plot of the story but the author still went out his/her way to tell the audience that Mookyul isn't on the "bottom" which is fascinating in itself (why do manga/manhwa artists stick to one position for each character?).
From the evidence I found in the manhwa, I conclude that Mookyul and the president weren't having penetrative sex (i.e. Mookyul wasn't getting penetrated). If you have evidence/anything going against my theory, I'm up for more discussion. :)
thank you, (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ I was seriosuly having angst issues over the fact that (i thought) he lied about not having sex with Ewun. U just cleared it so thanks. But his is a really important fact i'm disappointed in how it was not clear in the translation though.
i think the fact that it was no penetrating sex (no bottom M) acted more as a story device. M uses the 'no penetration' as an excuse why it was okay to do it/ not tell E. however, if he would he have been top, the relationship between M and E would've taken on a completely different character, so this is probably why the mangaka made sure the readers know that he was submissive, but not penetrated.
(that said i prefer solid roles, if the guy bottoms in one relationship and tops in the other i rather see him switching instead if unrealisitcally being told that the guy will never get done in the ass ever again lol)
i mean the relationship between M and his 'father' argh
I find some realism in this. Here me out.
Mookyul is clearly a handsome and sexual person (meaning he isn't afraid to show his sexual preference) and by this, he isn't keen on having one position. Being Top or Bottom in gay relationships isn't always exclusive. It only happens on fiction and/or it was agreed firsthand. But in gay relationships, switching is more common than you think. And I like this cause it REPRESENTS US. This is the truth. I am male, 183cm with tattoos and my husband is 175cm, but we switch. It's reality I see in this manhwa that I like.
Mookyul isn't a virgin, clearly.. So having sex with someone other than Ewon is not surprising. What's surprising (and even disgusting) was that Mookyul slept with 'his father'. I'm sorry for anyone who'll find this odd, but I dont hate the old man. Here me out again.
Old man picked Mookyul from the streets, gave him everything he could and then Mookyul slept with old man's partner and did it in front of him (read Sangchul's diary dj. Better in korean vr if you can). Anyone would hate Mookyul. He ruined their relationship and did it cause the old man's partner pissed him off (?) But he (old man) can't leave Mookyul behind. So thus this love/hate relationship begun.
Mookyul calls him father because an old man unmarried and having a youth living with him would lose standing if not adopting this said kid. It'd be scandalous otherwise. Their sex started when old man's partner left. Assuming Mookyul is already an adult that time.
For someone whose lovelife ruined by the said youth, he dressed him well, he gave him power, he treated hin as a successor. Yes, he was an asshole, but I could not blame him. He loved Mookyul, in some degree i think. But mookyul only loved Ewon. Reading back, we can see old man finalizing adoption for Mookyul only after near the end. Maybe it was closure for him too when Mookyul, the twisted youth he loves and hates, finally found someone besides him. honestly, mookyul would not lbe him if old man didn't met him. Imagine Mookyul as poor man eith that kind of attitude? Life would be hard for him. XD
I say 'it's complicated' best explains their story. The important thing is that they moved past it.
Also, I love how Mookyul isn't aversed to bottoming for Ewon. (Read one of the djs. Forgot what) I mean, that is extremely confident and sexy for me. There are conditions but still.