So I've been scrolling through the comments for this manga for awhile and I'd just like to...

But it makes Finder fandom more interesting to me

I've seen this in every type of fandom there is (movies, books, comics, actors, musicians, etc).

I don't know... I guess sometimes fans immerse themselves so thoroughly into what they enjoy, maybe they take criticism of it personally? It seems to me this is what drives violent confrontations between fans of opposing sports teams.

But it is human nature to defend (albeit, sometimes irrationally) who, or what they love.

I honestly don't think I've seen a "shitstorm"--but if someone expresses an opinion that seems to criticize, it's likely that many people will disagree, and others may offer advice such as, "Don't read things you no longer enjoy." What sort of reaction do you really expect in any fandom?

I don't quite understand why not agreeing with everything anyone posts is bad or "butthurt". As long as it's civil and not a personal attack, why is simply disagreeing such a bad thing?

That was a very good expl. J. there are some who may consider the page special and take affront At seeing the words and respond in kind. It is a natural reaction to want to protect what you consider is important, all very human.

Yes, a prime example right now is the Bleach comments section, Many were disappointed with the ending (me included - it was too abrupt and left too many unanswered questions) and some who were happy - and they were all snarking back and forth like mad ...

Yes, I was around there and read so many comments and I understand their reasons.

I wonder which one is the worst..Naruto (Esp Narusaku & Narusasu) Fans' reaction towards the ending, Or Bleach fans. Lol.

well put AG.

Mmh. Interesting choice of words. "Butthurt". ;) I can only speak for myself, of course, but trust me in this, I am waaaaaaay to old to feel butthurt about anything really... :D [Gladly, I'm not the only person around here born in the last millenium, lol!][And while I really love the Finder series, it's really just an outlet for me. Something to help me wind down after a lot of job, family, friends, hobbies and lifer in general. Let's just say, a couple of well-drawn male hotties in a good story are a wonderful way to relax at the end of the day and rekindle my inner mojo. *ahem* :) Plus I really enjoy comming here and read some of the witty remarks and people's ideas on certain subjects. It makes me smile, even belly laugh at times and it gives me new insights and ideas. In short: It enriches my Finder experience. :)

As for the shitstorms you mentioned: That surprised me a bit. Do you really think so? Can you give a recent example (date and time) so we can look it up? And who is that certain group of fans you speak of? You seemed to be addressing some users here in particular, but without naming names. So I wonder.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I've seen some shitstorms in the past... "Asami and/or Fei are rapists, one is or isn't worse than the other, Asami and Akihito love/don't love each other..." I mean, there is a whole shedload of things being said that can kick of this board or at least used to kick off this board in the past. But I think the last couple of weeks or even months things to my understanding have been very, very peaceful and there is just a lot of interesting discussions and humorous banter going on. So I was a bit surprised you would feel that there have been a lot of shitstorms lately? I just can't think of a single one at the top of my head that started with someone saying that they are no longer into it or that it has gotten old. Maybe it's because I wouldn't have replied to any of them (at least I don't thik I have). It's as AG said earlier: Yes, we all have different opinions, but what can you really say or what do you expect anyone to say when someone is basically shouting from the rooftops that he/she no longer likes this manga? I honestly wouldn't know what to say.

It's... I find this a waste of energy in a way. I have had TV shows and fandoms that I liked and then gradually lost interest in them. No biggie. I closed that book and moved on. And I did so quietly and without any drama. It is what it is. But I don't think I would try and let everyone their sister know that it was "getting old" or that I was no "longer into it as I used to" or "over it". Just not my style. *shrugs* When I lose interest in something I just move on and find something new that does. So while I don't reply to such comments I do find them a bit pointless.

That doesn't mean I don't like criticim of the Finder story, the plot, the characters. On the contrary. Constructive critcism, that is. But then it's nice if it's about something specific that people can actually share opinions over rather than "it sucks now". For example: I always do like the extended drawing that sensei has made for the upcoming volume 8 and usually, these extensions of the story enhance and enrich the plot. But for the first time, there was one element in the recent extensions (Sudou assaulting and nearly raping Akihito) that felt was a step backwards within the story and even destroyed some of sensei's character development. Sudou being obsessed with Asami and desparately "in love" with him and in that state, being driven almost into madness and certainly into self-destruction, that was a very strong and powerful story. It didn't need improvement. But then turning Sudou into yet another would-be rapist who lusts for Asami while ejaculating on Akihito's ass... To me that really took aways from the story and Sudou's character. Yes, he is a villain, but his whole feverish mindset was so interesting to watch. But with the extended scenes, he is really diminished to black and white. This extension just wasn't needed in my opinion.

So if I were to offer criticism, I would describe it in the way I just did, give an example and elaborate why I might feel that way to see if others shared the same view or why they might feel differently. And then you can get an interesting discussion.

I don't think you can get much of a good discussion out of "It sucks now" or "It's just getting old now" or "No longer into it". There really isn't much to say other than perhaps: " 'Kay. Whatever." And shrug.

I think it is about equal, for the shipping wars, but most right now in Bleach commentary are unhappy with the unanswered questions and the half-hearted finale. I felt that the ending lacked proper closure - then I read a comment from someone (can't remember who) that indicated this was not how Kubo intended to finish series, but that it was kind of forced on him .... sad if true...

Well said. And it has been very amicable here lately. There have been some in the past who have ranted at and insulted fans, and a number of troll looking to incite furious reactions, and some fans who have stopped posting after getting bullied too, but most fans here are great.

Yes, talking about the extended version of Vol.8, I'm agree with you about all that matter with Sudou. That story didn't need something like that (all the molestation part), it wasn't necessary in my opinion. It looked more like an excuse to see Aki being assaulted again. -_- I know that this story goes around the triggering side of molestation and humiliation, but narratively speaking it wasn't necessary, just as I said before, and actually adds nothing to the story.

Well, it does show just how mentally unstable Sudou is, so I think it does add something - and to show just how far is dangerous obsession with Asami has gone. Yes we knew he was in love and hated that Akihito was in the place he wanted to be, but for him to actually use Aki to get off shows that he has gone off the deep end in his erotomania.

That is a good point and i too wondered about that scene. I have not seen something like that in manga before that showed what dare i say what rape looks like. although violent, it gave Takaba a chance to save himself for a change and fight back. Asami did not save him, he got him self out of this. he confronted Sudou and stood his ground and proved he was no longer weak. That was no ravishment scene I don't know how Sudou comes back as a charac.? he is not Fei. I agree with toki that he looked mental I don't know what she does with him after this? I expected him to be killed off.

I hate it when a series lacks proper closure--I would put that in what Snark Mark calls constructive criticism. It's a legitimate fan reaction to something people have followed for years.

Yes, Lady, that was my impression to the T as well. a) not necessary and b) an excuse to see Akihito assaulted again. Perfectly put. This extension just felt off to me.

I also was really surprised she would let him live, RB. I think as an author, I probably would have killed him off, too. At the moment, I don't see any purpose for his character in the future or any way to rectify him. But who knows what plans she has for him... At the moment I couldn't even begin to guess where she is going with him - which is probably a good thing. :) I'm ready for sensei to surprise the pants off me in every aspect of the plot.

You make a very good case, tokidoki. :) Personally, I already got that manic and obsession with Asami, the craziness, the self destruction from the magazine version. He had his knife at Akihito's throat, ready to kill him. Him completely losing it, but also this overwhelming desperation and hopelessness, all that was already so strong in that version. And it was all driven by his obsessive love-hate for Asami. It was all about the emotion and the despair of not being acknowledged bis this man. That this was a longing on an emotional as well as a pyhsical level, I felt that very strongly at this point. So I didn't need for sensei to then reduce it to just his lust for Asami (and for Akihito to be used again, this time as a sexual proxy). It detracts from the emotion, his erratic and crazy train of thought that was so horrible, yet fascinating. You might say it's a case of "If it ain't broken, don't fix it." And to me that scene didn't need fixing or extending.

I felt like the all-encompassing, all-consuming and destructive emotional, mental, physical obsession with Asami that was portrayed in the magazine version was on such a bigger/higher level than just him lusting for Asami (extended version). When he says: "I tried everything possible to be acknowledged by him. I've worked so hard. I didn't do it so he would turn his gaze towards me. But I never expected to fall in love with him this much. It's painful... That's why you have to die."

That to me is the essence of what his obsession and insanity, what his despair and hopelessness is all about. It's also so FINAL. That is a man who in all likelihood doesn't expect to live for long after this night. Who KNOWS that Asami will come for him and hunt him down - and I guess in that he would have had at least some kind of the acknowledgement he was longing for at last. That's also why I was really surprised she didn't kill him off.

But then maybe... that IS the whole point? He thought and he HOPED he was going to have it his way: 1. Kill Akihito 2. For Asami to hunt him down and find him. 3. For Asami to kill him. 4. And in that forcing Asami to acknowledge him - at least on some level, even if it wasn't the one he wanted - at last.

And he did NOT get any of that. In the end he did not have it his way at all...

I think that more than dead we will see Sudou being molested/sexually assaulted by Mik or Sakazaki (or both), just for the sake of it. *O*

P.S.: I just reread that and I think I'm overanalysing again. :D