Unpopular opinon

I see your point here AG, but let me say something: you know that this story is marketed in many places with different cultures and subcultures, and probably there are many people out in other places who don't see any problem in Aki being molested/sexually assaulted by other characters in this story, probably it is a turn on for many people outside, even if people like us find it annoying. It's a matter of tastes, you know. If someone criticizes Asami for ravishing Aki (at least in the first chapters), it is because he (Asami) is seen as his partner and, because of that, the person that has to take care of him and protects him.

Ah, yes it definitely is worth thinking about.

For me, see I *like* Akihito getting attacked by pretty much everyone, I really do. And in a way I like to see him suffer because I want to see how far as a character he and Asami can go, how far they can be pushed because they have so much to give and so much emotional depth. And him getting constantly (and sometimes yes forcefully) sexed up by Asami too - even better!

I just get so bored with manga that see our couples in more 'normal' established relationships and normal psychology, for example 'Haru wo Daite Ita' got more realistic and therefore so boring for me that I just ended up phasing it out. They had a house, careers, twin beds - meh, not my cup of tea! And the 'Kuroneko' series? - Dude, I see that as so damn boring I just can't stomach it! But hey, that's just my personal tastes!!!

I personally don't like any real life thoughts, morals, drama, conversation or feelings to come into my manga. It's escapism, a release, frivolous fun that you can pick up and put down when you need it. Yes sure there are some stories that just don't leave you with a good feeling because they go so against who you are as a person - I for example have two Yaoi that I will never, ever, ever read again - but surely if some readers feel so offended or irritated at Finder, then maybe these people should give up reading it? for their own sanity? You're supposed to enjoy your hobbies after all!

You are right. I see that. I guess some people could enjoy fiction with the fantasy of being objectified by a lot of people who have no connection to them. I'm sure culture also plays a role. I enjoy a lot of fantasies others think are sick and twisted. I still want to see Aki kick a harasser in the balls though. I guess it's no worse than shipping out of canon.

Can I ship an act of violence with sexual harassers? Is that a thing?

I'm not going to argue with your opinion but I'm not sure the problem is as egregious as you paint it. Sure, Fei gets a pass on raping Akihito but that's because 1) he's really pretty and 2) he actually expressed remorse, which Asami has not.

But of the other men who have assaulted Akihito, who is getting a pass? And what other assaults besides those by Asami and Fei have been sensationalized? I don't know of anyone who read the Sudou assault scene and went "Oh yeah, baby, that's hot!" Everyone I know was turned off by it. Same with Sakazaki. Everyone thinks he's a sleaze.

Maybe there is not constant condemnation of those other men because they are minor characters and so not the focus of readers. Asami comes in for more examination because he's one of the main characters. He simply is on the page more than they are.

So I'm not getting the disparity and this sensationalism you're talking about.

Oh Romy! I understand your point, but please don't criticize haru wo daiteita, I have such a soft spot for that story (it's my Achille's heel), and I like it the most because of it's realistic feeling! sob sob (I'm crying now... just kidding :) )

Fair enough. :) I like a lot of things that people think are twisted, and when things are too sticky sweet it bores me too. But I guess personally, I like twisted fluff, if that's a thing. I mean, I like a lot of dark elements, but I want a HEA (of some sort)--like a Scarlet Beriko vibe. I can go darker, of course. And I too, have some stories I own't read again. I guess maybe it's also a sick kink to want to see sexual harrassers kicked in the balls. Who knows. (●'◡'●)

The point is (but this is only my opinion), that so many persons read this story in the wrong way. I'm part of the minority that don't think it's a "love story", for me is something different and in its way more interesting. Have you ever read "The dangerous liaisons"? From my point of view this story has more to do with that than with any average love story. You can see it from a different angle if you consider this as a mafia story with lots of sex (and sometimes feelings) than as a boy's love.

Haha, don't get me wrong, I loved it in the beginning but it just got too much for me. Even 'Bi no Isu' got a little too domestic and lovely doves for me and at times Finder does too. So I need a little dysfunction now and again to keep me on my toes :D

I do want to see these guys (Sakazaki, Sudou etc) maimed for hurting Akihito. But I feel like Sensei is a little (maybe too much?) Tame when it comes to that stuff…I for example think Asami let Fei Long off completely scott free for actually kidnapping, assaulting and raping Akihito - which was a little lame. Oh! And how many times is he going to tell Akihito 'I am the only one who can touch you.' Before Akihito goes and gets molested again : / empty words Asami, empty words…………...

Hmm I don't know, I would definitely disagree with the statement that Asami gets all the heat and the other pervs get a pass. I much more often see people get mad at the others (Feilong, Yuri, Sakazaki, Sudou etc), whereas Asami is rarely called out for what he does. He's the one getting the free pass the way I see it (and I will admit it bothers me sometimes).

However, there are people who see it the other way around and view what Asami did as worse, and I think that might be because those other creeps are SUPPOSED to be creeps, they are antagonists and not love interests. Asami is the one you're supposed to root for, the reader is supposed to want him and Akihito together, and so it sticks out a lot more when he sexually assaults him.

Oh, I don't mean it's egregious; it's just a little thing. And it's just my opinion, not any huge deal. I just prefer people to act sexually with feelings, specific attraction, and connection.

Fei gets a pass from me because he has real feelings on the line, even if those feelings were originally for Asami. I liked Fei better when he developed feelings for Ai. The key for me is feelings.

I guess Sudou also has those feeling but with less cause. I admit I just don't care for Sudou's character. It's not a simple as a sad backstory and being pretty--it's about whether I see complex feelings and character growth. Sudou's emotions come off as stalkerish to me, whereas Fei's seemed based on a past relationship of a sort.

The characters that annoy me are the ones who harass in general. Mikhail, Yuri, the stalker (did he have a name?), the old guys in the other story where Aki chaperoned high school students, and Sazkizaki come to mind. To me, it seems like it happens a lot. Again, it's not a huge problem, but I see it.

I always loved Haru wo daiteita because of all that chapters about their careers, not only about their domestic life. I admire that story because it begins where many other stories end (live together), and because of its realism, just as I said before... but, yeah, it's becoming really long now.

Well, permanently maimed might be going too far, but I'd like something to happen to them. It doesn't have to be a literal kick in the balls--it could be a metaphorical kick. Still, most men will recover from a literal kick in the balls.

But again, maybe it's my kink. Like if I had money*, I could offer a prize to the best fanfic about Sakazaki getting what's coming to him--something painful, but not too extreme. I could make a tag such as, "K2B/Sakazaki". In the unlikely event Sensei would ever want to grant me one wish, she could draw Aki smacking down Sakazaki, and I could die happy.

Asami could do it too (as you said, he says he will), but I'd like to see Aki stand up for once and say, "Keep your damned hands to yourself!" in a way that such men would take to heart--er that is, through the balls.

*I do not have money. There is no prize.

If I understood well this story, you'll get what you want (in part), in my opinion the next in line to be molested/sexually assaulted will be Sudou (after Aki and Fei), but you won't see that with Sakazaki (because he's a 'seme'... but he can get shot by someone ;)). Can we bet 10$ ?(≧∀≦)

I like finder for the hunter/prey. Dom./Sub. between Asami and Takaba. In a sense Takaba got to play out pretending to not want it and having to be convinced . Asami all knowing pleasure giver. Sex is what is selling the story to a large extent. I like this story for the play betwn. Takaba and Asami (verbal/non verbal) Takaba is a well written charac. Asami can be quite expressive (with her drawing style) esp. around Takaba. He reacts to him. Posture and face. That is what is keeping me here.

You might be right. I fear Sakazaki might not get shot. as you said, he's a seme, one of the Laws of Yaoi is that the Seme is Always Right :) I mean, of course, Asami is always right--but other semes somehow get the same treatment even when they are wrong--(just kidding).

I like the thrill of the chase parts too. :)

I don't think that Akihito "accepts" sexual harassment, but sensei writes the villains as twisted and Akihito as a very forgiving person. Since I'm not Japanese, I'm not sure what the cultural significance is, since rape/sexual assault is a common manga trope. Maybe somebody from Japan could explain that. Also, Asami's enemies are figuring out that Akihito is Asami's Achilles heel.

In this type of manga it is bec. it is smut. The A.V. industry can't legally show what we see here. This is porn with a story esp. what happens to Takaba. Jpn. as a whole is very conservative publicly abt. sex. What you do in private is another matter.

Yes Japan is a whole other kettle of fish where sex is concerned. It's complicated and there is a bit that does make me uber uncomfortable and unhappy when I'm there - Shota and Loli being openly sold and read in convenience stores for example. Peadophilia is more acceptable there and there is a big market for it. It's something I hate to think has a place in a country and society which I love so much. It's completely heartbreaking really. The same with their policy on animal rights -_-

But back on subject!!!! And yes, though most are conservative and shy away from the subject of love and sex, people will most of the time not raise a fuss about what you do, buy, wear, sleep with, they ignore strange and uncomfortable things and always say things like 'it can't be helped.' And move on.

And hmm, I don't know much about the history of sexual violence and assault outside of the Yakuza and prostitution world, but I should imagine that with how society can be - it would ruin the victims reputation the same as the attacker in some instances. I can understand very easily if someone chose not to report it :(

Also, they are big on privacy and their stance on crime is very strict. I mean, Kids don't even really do underage drinking despite the vending machines in the street! Which for a Brit like me is just unfathomable ;)

Though interestingly, even though they are a dying breed, sex museums and love hotels are still around in Japan and sex is not as taboo a subject as you would expect. Just check out Nobuyoshi Araki's work, explicit - but so beautiful.

DISCLAIMER! *I say 'they' and stuff but I am not generalising Japanese people as one organism, just making a quick example of societies' attitudes. The same as saying British people drink a lot of tea, I'm well aware that we don't all drink tea! Just for anyone who might get needlessly offended…..