Hmmm

Problem is, in the yaoi universe, there's "rape" and rape.
And here, it's obviously the kind of rape that many of us dislike.
Btw, this poor guy wasn't raped by only a man, but gang banged by a bunch of assholes who profit of the way he is (a weak mind and body who was repeatly abused and used by his father as an object).

This is really degrading and pitiful if we chose to open our eyes on his conditions and not only see the yaoi side. Disturbing and disgusting, this yaoi is nothing but a porn material without hope or any moral.
And it will ridiculous to us to seek any hope for this poor thing Jack.

The art is good as we know Zaria, but the scenario is a big NO NO NO.

Hmm.. read the manga again. Jack is a masochist that loves being done by his "papa". It might seem degrading and hard to believe, but that is Jack's character. That's why Jack masturbated to his dad when he was apart from him for so long. His ass really needed some dick - as messed up as that sounds, Jack likes being tied up.

For the first time i found someone who thinks the same way i do. I don't mean to be offensive, but i feel like people see what they want to see. They saw the old guy having sex with his son. And automatically assumed it was rape. Their isn't a beginning to that story, how do people know it started of as rape? Did the author or character mentioned rape? All i saw is Incest between two people who enjoy having sex. Jack in the beginning didn't say don't touch or me please stop, the damn words i kept reading was "don't touch me there" He wants to be touched someone else. Than when he was tied up he said stop cause he was feeling way to much pleasure from his dick that he could even contain it. His personality is week, he's kind of meek and is reduced to tears quite easy that people assumed that he must have been rape. When the old dude said we've been doing this for years. Could mean he started young, but it doesn't mean he was rape as a child. Children sometimes have sex at 10 or 11. When it comes to sex their is no age boundaries. He gladly masturbated for him in the bathroom, he even got hard when he saw his roommate's dick, i don't think a poor rape victim would masturbate for their rapist. People do remember what he said " PAPA TOUCH ME MORE" now does that sound like a rape victim...

"When it comes to sex their is no age boundaries"? What?

Their really isn't. Unless your being a weirdo and had to add babies to that mix of "No age boundaries" than their shouldn't be a problem with how i worded that sentence. Also 4 years old should also count in that mix cause i doubt they had sex at that age. I don't bother counting 5 years old because people have been reported in loosing their virginity at that age. Could be consensual or rape. But ether way it fits with the "No age boundaries."
For example, look for Lina Medina she was 5 years old when she had a child, could mean that she started young. Don't know what age but i assumed 5. Their hasn't been any report if she was sexually abused or consensual. They just thought she was cause of her age.

She was raped, i know her story.
How could a 5 year old child have consensual sex? How a 5 yeard old have sex? Wtf!

Wrong read her story again, their hasn't been any mention of her getting raped. They don't even know who was the father. She never spoken the words of being raped. SHE NEVER Said ANYTHING. You are like the people in the news who jump on rape cause of her age. It could be she got raped but than unless you know her personalty, you wouldn't be able to say if it's true or not. You do know the process of sex right? Have a vagina and someone places a thick rod in their and your hymen break and wa-la that equals sex. I've seen news of sick bastards who do that to babies. SEX (It's rape of course) but rape is being forced to have sex against your will. How could a five year have consensual sex? Hmm good question right their, but than this is a sick sick world and you have no idea how people think at that age. Unless you know everyone past and present personality (Which i doubt) than you wouldn't be able to say that consensual sex doesn't exist at that age.

ヽ(`Д´)ﾉYou're utterly disgusting, the way you think about sex. When its underage kids no matter if its curiousity, it IS illegal to have sex with underage kids - meaning kids under fucking 18. How the fuck can you actually think that kids at 5 year old want to have sex? What the actual fuck?! That is in all cases RAPE, incest is ALSO rape... what the fuck I hate delusional fuckers who can't even distinguish between rape and consensual sex... (╯°Д °)╯╧╧This manga is FUCKING all about rape, NOT SOME romantical sex as you seem to want. This is porno-fucking-graphy, nothing else. There's nothing normal in this story and hence NOTHING normal with your thinking, seriously people like you make me sick. Its ok to read mangas like this, but when you put manga=real life then you should go fuck off. Rape is RAPE, how can a kid say it has been raped when it doesn't know whats right and wrong, even so it is STILL rape.... There's nothing ok with people having sex with kids at young age even if they are already at fucking 10 or 11. ITS STILL FUCKING RAPE you fucking bastard who gets turned on by this. (╬￣皿￣)凸

well i also not agree if someone have sex with 5 years old kid, eventhough they are falling in love with each other. its just something insane. But i dont think incest is considerate as a rape if both of them equally wanting, sharing, enthusiastically participating something sexually, i rather say it as a criminal act. And for your information rape is when one person want and persue a sexual act on, to or inside another peson who doest not want to participate, and who does not fully and freely consent to take part in that act. so the conclusion is when someone persue their sexual desire to another person and the other person dont want willingly accept that actions we can called it rape. but when someone having sex but not following the community norm, we can called it criminal act. so we also can say gay sex is a criminal act, except in america and other countries that alr accept gay marriage. And if you dont like this kind of manga please just dont read it. and actually the one that i dont undestand is someone like you, who hate rape but they also read the manga until the end and leave hate comments.

Than they are still idiots like you who think that because you are young you don't have a mind and a will to have sex. Anyone who has a sense of mind can want it at a young age. You are the fucking delusional person who thinks that everyone under 18 don't have a mind or a will. I am sorry to burst your bubble but kids have sex no matter what age they are. Of course i understand it's illegal but than does it equal rape, ah not really by law it is but for them is not. Hun, if you want to rage at me than open your mind a bit, cause talking to you is like talking to a wall. Incest is not rape, sorry no it is not. People who are sick bastards could want to have sex with their family members, if the other person wants it than it just incest not rape. Rape is being forced to have sex against your will, if the person clearly wants to have sex with their family members like JACK DID. (Did yah forget when he said "Papa touch me more' Or "Papa touch me somewhere else". Don't forget his masturbation scene for his father. Or you trying to ignore those scenes cause it doesn't fit with the idea that jack was rape and didn't want it) Jack wanted it, his father wanted it to and so it doesn't equal rape cause it was consensual. GOD the one who is delusional is you. Try growing up a bit than we can have a serious talk, cause i have no desire to speak with a child who thinks that everyone mentality under 18 are just bunnies and rainbows. If people could murder at 6 or 7 than they also have sex at that age. DID i ever said that this manga was romantic, nope i didn't. All i said was that it shouldn't be considered rape when the person being done (Jack) wanted it. I think that you should leave your laptop or computer a bit and live in the real world cause you haven't seen anything yet. Manga isn't real life, when did i say it was. WOW your trowing words in my mouth to fuel your rage more. All i did was express my opinion in why i don't think this manga is considered rape. And i added real world facts to give evidence to my statement that their is "No age boundaries". ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

She was raped. Im from her country, i saw the records, i studied her case. She was raped by a family friend since she was 3. Are you gonna say she wanted to have sex at 3? She had an awful life. Had a son who thought she was her sister until she died.
Just so you know, one thing are pubescent kids, who can have a sexual desire even though they can't consent. And other prepubescent kids who doesn't even know what sex is.
If you think that 5 or 3 year old are individuals that can have sex, consensual sex, you are a sick person. And thats all i gonna say to you.

I shall just leave this here, since it is important:
Firstly, I disagree with you.
Yes, children do have a curiousity for sex and express sexuality as young as the age of 3. That is a given. HOWEVER, the reason that I believe that it is not consensual to engage with a young child is simply for the fact that many young children have not completely developed mentally or emotionally to handle sexual relationships, especially with adults. Experimentation is one thing, but a continuous act of Intercourse is another. Children at a young age are very impressionable despite their personalities and can be conditioned to certain circumstances just like any adapting person.
Let's take this manga for example: sure, we don't know what this character had been subjected to prior in the manga, but it's more than obvious he was conditioned to respond in that manner. Because this is smut and not a psychological manga, we don't really know or understand the character's state of mind; we can only make assumptions. You assume Jack consented, and I'm assuming that he did not, but under the circumstances he was made to be emotionally and sexually dependent on "papa".
On anothee note: you used the example of young children committing murder to prove your point; you're talking mostly about children who are born psychopaths, and express no extreme emotion or remorse by nature. That's just how they are. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Wow wow and wow. I cannot BELIEVE there is an actual human who would even think that, first of all there is no way in heaven or hell, that any child 10 or under can have consensual sex....personally I believe 15 because your just not mature enough to make that decision but for the sake of it I'll say 10. Quoting you "SHE NEVER Said ANYTHING" do you know how many rape victims there are that never say anything? Second she was FUCKING 5 years old?!! she most likely had no clue what was happening, and considering her father was in fact arrested for sexual abuse (sadly released cause lack of evidence but that's very common in rape cases) so you do not know if she ever said anything or not, she just hasnt publicly said anything. BUT SERIOUSLY?! You think a five year old is even capable of giving consent? man are you fucked up.

Again, you cant no say never if you don't know all the childs mentality. Your acting like your aware of every child mind and how they think when it fact you are completely wrong. People under 10 have been shown to want something sexual, why? Because one the environment they grew up in make them think that sex and sexual contact is good, perfect whatever. If you grew up in a normal household and at the age you didn't think about sex that's great for you. But come no one knows how the people in this world think at that age. 15 might be the mature age, but people way younger than that have been shown to act more mature than what their age says. No she didn't say anything, they asked her if she was rape she didn't say yes,she didn't break down in tears aka no one knows WTF happen stop acting like you saw the past and you know it's rape cause a 5 year old won't ever do that. <--- This being a ? since you don't know, no one knows, i never said it was it was consensual nether did i say it was rape. I don't know her case so i just leave it a blank. I am sick of tired of people wanting to see things in a good light because A: The age B: All the child think about rainbows and bunnies.

Comparing apples to oranges? Okay they both grow on trees, they are very healthy fruits, hmm what else. Oh yeah they taste good. You could actually compare them to some things not with everything. What i am trying to get at is this. If children have the capacity to kill people and have no remorse, what is to say if a child also has the capacity to have sex with someone (Adult or Not) and not feel bad about. You can not say one thing is different than the other because the subject is different. My whole point i made was that children can have sex too. You just said that children would want to experiment it and are curious, if they do cross the boundaries is consensual because they wanted it. If two children are 6 and have sex together your going to tell me that it is rape and not consensual? I never said it had to be with an adult. I repeat my self once more because you sadly have been adding words to my mouth, what i said and have been saying for the past 10 comments in the back is that children can HAVE SEX!... There you go we do not know the beginning of this manga so no one knows if it was rape or not. if you think is rape go right ahead and think that. It isn't going to change my mind. I still think it wasn't and i am going to continue thinking that.

I can say with perfect certainy it was rape. First of all No I don't think all children think about is rainbow and bunnies, I have known young children who have unexplained depression and a weird understanding about life, THAT however is litteraly worlds away for consenting to sex at 5... and yes you can be raised in a household where they might say oh sex at 5 is great HOWEVER considering she is 5 there is NO pleasure or ability to consent whatsoever its called CONDITIONING.. fucking retard. But i guess I'm the stupid one here considering I'm still talking to you who so obviously is messed up in the head. Oh so this is what society is now huh? where people say "oh well 5 year olds can enjoy sex"

I get it, but you can't compare a child's mind to an adult or teenager's. And I'm not taking about rainbows or unicorns. Kids don't think abstractly like adults or teens. It's pretty evident in psychology. So their consent really isn't theirs but a factor of their environment or what they learned from observable behavior. They haven't seen the other side of the spectrum and that's why it's not acceptable. No matter who you are, at 5 or less you are unable to look both sides of multiple social problems, taking in them entirely, and spitting out a reasonable outcome. I'm one of the mature kids you mentioned and even I admit I was nowhere close to being able to think about sex completely. I had misconceptions. We all did. It's kind of a good thing we do have an age of consent. Do you really want to have to make adult decisions all of your life? A kindergartner has to worry about getting their colors, letters, and numbers down to a 'T'. They have friends and quarrels. Let's toss on the option to get knocked up and have sex. It just doesn't mesh well. I'm all for educating on kids on sex, but they won't be able to fully understand the feelings associated with the act. Even if you argued that sex is for reproduction only, can a child raise a baby well on their own? Without mommy and daddy it'd be impossible, have you seen how they treat baby dolls? They are rough and stumble often. Imagine a world like that. The middle class will truly be no more.

Actually we are indeed both idiots than should we live happily ever after now. For once, my whole point was that children can have sex, not once did i say that 5 years could enjoy it. I never mentioned enjoy did i. All said is that when it comes to sex you shouldn't put a boundary because people no matter what age it is still do it. Sure rape, is fucked up in the head and anyone who does that should go to help. But the person who got raped, is not longer a virgin and so she had sex, forced sex but it is still considered sex. If a child says it's okay and wants to do it whit another child, adult whatever the hell you come up with than it considered sex. Sex where both parties said it was okay. Okay you think it's rape that's fine with me but because i on the other hand can not say something for certainly unless the victim it self says it was rape than i can't not call it rape, if their nothing to back it up. I am also an idiot cause i am responding with at angry people who sure love putting words in my mouth every single comment. I say one think and bang they think i said something else so this person must be a sick human being. Am i sick to think that children could have sex no matter what age? Maybe but i don't care. Cause everyone has different opinions. Classical conditioning happens as days of experimenting and getting into people heads happens, that they start thinking that is fine. Let's say a child sees a movie where the is moaning her head of because of the intense pleasure, as a child you would want to do everything you think looks fun do you not? So if i want to do the same thing what i saw in the movie "cause it looks fun" than lets go with the nearest guy who can help me with that fun, than bang we end up doing something. But i wanted it at first and now i don't want it cause it was painful and not fun, so i end up regretting it because i am a child and didn't think things straight but than it doesn't eliminate the fact that i still had sex even if i hated it and regret it and i am aware that i wasn't old enough to do. But still it doesn't delete the whole fact "That sex has no boundaries and even children have sex"

You really are sick in the head, it would make sense coming from some rapist. The thoughts you have that is, Also I don't need to read this fucking manga to see how sick you people can be. There's difference between an ero manga and porno, this one is a porno. You really are idiotic saying there's no age boundaries like WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!

Wow, sarcasm. Because that's how you have a mature conversation, right? Also: "You can not say one thing is different because the subject is different". Actually, I can say it's different. Because it is different. And also, two children of the same age engaging in a sexual act does not automatically mean rape or consensual-- where did that rhetorical question even come from? I'm responding to the fact you said, and I quote: "When it comes to sex, age has no boundaries". That's what you commented, and there's no rebuttal that you can make for it; it's right there. Lik I said, we make assumptions on what happened to the guy. I respect your observation, however I have my own.