Here are all the reasons why, if you have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion, you need to create and sign in to an account in order to put a consistent identity behind your words.
Long-term members, here, are relatively known quantities. People get a sense of who they are dealing with. We get to know what to expect from certain names-and-icons. We get to know who shows humour, intelligence, compassion and understanding, who makes spelling mistakes, has writing tics, what some of their tastes are in manga. A sense develops of ages, cultural backgrounds, education, careers, family, past tragedies and mistakes, the things that make them happy, who’s sweet, fierce, subtle, passionate, friendly, lusty, hilarious, has a strong sense of fairness. We know who has a temper and who has a big ego *raises hand*. We know who steals lists and copies reviews. We know who uses bots. It all shows up over time.
Whereas, you … who are you? Seriously. WhoTF are you? Because, as long as you’re anon, you’re the same person as Llort and Hoera-the-Sexplorer and all those assholes who post fake news and revenge porn, sell rohypnol and elephant tranquilizers online, bully teenagers into suicide, and organize crime and terrorism. As somebody pointed out to me yesterday, anonymous chooses to ellide his/her identity into a monolith of all anons, a Leviathan, which means the best anon is only ever as good as the worst anon, and nothing can be done to elevate the worst anon, because the worst anon is only around for the Lulz or worse.
“Judge me only on what I say!” Anon cries. Me, I, only I, I am. Except, that requires individuality, and anon has already eschewed that. The soul is missing. The fate of his or her contribution to the discussion is undermined by every other anon in that monolith, including those who are demonstrably mentally ill, violent, septic with hatred and bigotry, whiny about privilege, butthurt and with a big ax to grind from being exposed as a dickhead, or just eaten alive by envy, pride and malice.
This is because anonymous indicates something to hide, and people here have seen it all: sock puppet theatre, upvote rigging, baiting people into religious/anti-religious intolerance, suppressing dissent, threats of doxxing. It doesn’t matter if anon has clever words or things of value to share. Anon hides from light and exposure, so all worth is lost.
“Everybody on this site is Anon.” Anon blusters. Yes, but no. After time, we get to know each other and get a sense of what to expect. We notice who just signed up, who hasn’t read any manga, who only ever posts during peak troll. Whereas you …
Even if you know your views are unpopular and will probably set off a shitstorm, sign up and sign in before you post them. Otherwise, you’re just ….
Personally, I know some people who find it a big hassle to create an account, they're not too deep into manga but they sometimes comment. That's totally fine. I myself sometimes post in anon state when at work, since it's like 30 mins and leaving too much bother to sign in.
Thing some people don't want to create an account for various reasons.
This site needs to IPban some trolls and we will be free (hopefully)- or activate a feature where a topic/comment with more than -10 will get deleted automatically.
There was a down-vote feature. It didn't delete, but it covered the comment. That got rigged.
I know there are reasons why people want to stay anon. Good reasons. Reasons they don't need to justify to anyone. Even just because they want to.
All I'm saying is, posting as an anon means you get lumped in with every asshole who wants to stay anon because they're assholes.
you're right. I stopped posting as an anon because of this, I hope others will consider the state of the site and create an account.
Words of wisdom here, my friend. Anon/Anonymous posters complain when they get sass back at them, but they do not necessarily need to make an account, my friend Nonni (yeah, that's really here name) does not have an account, but always comments using that name, and is thus recognized.
Having an account when you request recommendations is useful as people can check your reading list to see what you enjoyed in the past, and it helps for notifications and such, but there are some longtime Finder posters (like Reality Bites) that do not log in either but she is still recognizable.
Anon posters need to be aware that they get lumped with the trolls and haters though.
I recognize Nonni. I've conversed with her as anony-Nonni (which, with a hey and a ho, sounds Shakespearean.) I've also read comments by Reality Bytes.
This isn't about suppressing anonymity, agitating to have IP addresses posted, or singling people out. There are some readers who come to this site who would be crucified if hostile members of their family, colleagues, neighbours or local secret police ever figured out they were posting here. I don't want to deprive them of anonymity or the freedom to comment anonymously. But if they do, and people with borderline antisocial personality disorders also happen to be trolling anonymously on the thread around the same time, then that's who they are. Even if it isn't.
The anon option is supposed to be for people with anxiety. Not mask for bullies to hide behind.
Agreed, I find it difficult to trust anons, god knows who they are. Of course there are some longtime anons who are recognizable but they can be imitated too.
The anon option is for whatever anyone wants it to be. For some, it's a matter of simple freedom. For some it's life and death. For some, it's because they can't be arsed to sign in. There doesn't have to be a reason.
One funny example I had pointed out to me was where an anon adopted a "voice of reason" as one identity, and then, a whole Greek Chorus of anonymous assholes as others. They must've gotten tired after awhile because they slipped up and it became obvious that they were—all of them—the same person. And the big argument 'they' were defending was that 'they' should be judged on the meaning of 'their' words, not on 'their' identity. Why, then? If you (universal you, not personal you) have a reasonable and rational argument, why not just state it and leave it to be judged for what it really is, instead of trying to manufacture a nonexistent consensus of opinion? If the argument has merit, then it doesn't need agreement. It can just stand on the validity of its premises. Instead, this particular troll undermined his whole thesis by letting his multiple masks slip. Anyway, that's just an example.
I tend to look at the culture of trolling when it appears, especially on site like this where we have people from so many different countries and where the subject matter is fraught with actual danger for some people's safety and livelihood. It is a tool for suppressing dissent. It is used to send a chilling effect on discourse and protest. It is about imposing authoritarian values. When you have trolls on a site making life difficult for individuals or just in general, then people start discussing how to impose identity from outside the site, by revealing IPs, for example. That kills off the chance for participation for people who can't access TOR, etc.. That's why I think it's important to establish a personal body of discussions, arguments, even outright flame wars if one must, as a brand.
What happened to my response to you? It keeps popping up and then disappearing?
Sorry, I had you under "vicious man-eating brute" behind the same bars as KyoNaZa. Back, you monster! Back. *cracks whip*
Not sure. maybe it is getting deleted? This is the first response I have seen, but I have been away from the computer for a while ...
*nods* It has certainly happened before. On this site, it even happens to the trolls.
Ah, Polito , here is some snax and a drink ... (please leave clothes on, it is chilly today)
Weird. Okay ... nope, there it is again. Above Eldritchangel's comment.
Now I see it ...
That's not the safe word!
Ah, maybe it's not so chilly where you are, but yesterday it was 30C here, today it's 14C ... if you want to run around nekkid in the cold rainy and windy weather, I gots my camera
How did the existence of trolls take over the internet? And why are they using it as if it's a toy to manipulate?
Because some people are under the impression that you can get away with it. Also anonimity gives them a freedom without exposing their real identity. Trolls are generally insecure and socially awkward individuals in real life and trolling on internet gives them some sort of satisfaction, since they can't express their opinions so freely in real life.
EXACTLY. I had the same sentiment.
yeah. i remember that anon thread ranting about those and i hate being angry but i just exploded that time after weeks of silently enduring the troll invasion of the main boards.
in my honest opinion it's not really THAT hard to create an account. the choice is really theirs and they do not have to give information on their page if they wanted to. heck, i see a lot of watchers/followers who only sign in for the manga and list subscription. as long as they jump out of that anon pool and give themselves an identity. a named anon but at least that makes them an individual.
...anyway: users who uses bots? that made me curious.
Wacky weather in Canada - coldest day was -81C to 45C (that's -114F to 113F) I have only ever experienced -40C to 36C though. Got frostbite a few times, not nice.
Yeah, mostly. Mostly a few brats, a couple of frat house-style idiots. I've been warned about some who are more sinister. Actually, we all have. VPNs or Tor are highly recommended unless you share a computer network with thousands.
I've seen one who showed definite signs of a borderline personality disorder with psychotic moments, possibly schizophrenia. Narcissism. And I've noticed a couple of people who show signs of PTSDs, whose sense of self has been wiped out by violence and tragedy, but for the most part, these ones leave people alone unless they feel threatened. One of these people freely admitted to her PTSDs in one of those sharing threads ... which made me worry about her safety. I got that she's a strong person, but that's a helluva lot of information to put out into the ether about your mental stablity. Again, people really need to watch what they share.
Give a person enough rope ... it's weird how it happens, but sock puppets usually out themselves, whether they have an account or not. That's just another reason why, if you have something to say, put a name and face to it. Because there's no reason not to.
It's true that a person who is signed in can just as easily manipulate sock puppet troll accounts and anon troll comments as any anon, but there are that many more steps involved and it serves as a sober second thought. Identity is more than an account.
Botssssssss..... obviously, the spam-bots that show up from time to time. And now we have them to thank for Captcha.
One person floated the idea past me of bots rigging the up-votes, especially for people who achieve greater numbers of approval ratings on their manga reviews than actual people who appear to have read the manga (or rated it, at least.) That may be a bit of a stretch, but it sure involves a lot of sock puppets. I think it's kind of hilarious. Can you imagine having to sign out and in that many times?
Well, *ahem* *blushes*, I do get triggered a lot, and I'm not shy about letting it out. I react, emotionally ... but, also, rationally. That's another reason why there is no point to trying to pretend to be an anon. Whatever for? Who wants everybody to agree with them all the time? So what if some people are offended? People can't even agree on what kind of manga is fluffy. (Apparently. I mean, some folks think Finder is cute. Wut?) So set your thoughts apart from the bottom-feeders and cultivate an identity. Unless you actually ARE a bottom-feeder, in which case, thank you for making that so clear by staying anon.
*shifty eyes*
Oop, the last part of that comment was directed to universal you, not personal you.
Refer to the obscene spam mails incidents from various accounts & lot of downvotes on the topic telling how to delete trolling / threatening / insulting topics..
Those various kinds of troll have already created many a/c.
And it's worse that they create a/c just to troll.
I couldn't agree more. Ever since the introduction of social media to our lives, everyone became so willing to share sensitive information online. Sometimes I see others share very private things in here, it's not really safe to share them in here.
I also agree with you about VPN but one must be careful about which VPN service they choose. Some of them are willing to share personal info with 3rd parties and some others have serious security loopholes.
And some are simply fronts for different security agencies, which may or may not be a good thing depending on in whose security they are invested.
I'm of two minds about what people should share, especially related to mental health. On the one hand, that sort of information can lead to missed job opportunities, being turned down for educational grants and bursaries, being declined for things which require responsible behaviour like volunteerism or working with children. It can set up misconceptions about capabilities in people's minds that can impede relationships, lead to problems securing loans, establishing credit or renting apartments and other problems. And it can stay on the web for a very long time.
Yet if people aren't frank about who they are, what they've experienced, how they've grown and changed, what they've learned, how can we learn from them? How do we learn to see past the wound to the person, with all their good intentions, hopes and contributions?
ヾ(☆▽☆) How are you doing?
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Oh great. Lots of pics of plucked chicken.
Well, chicken flesh anyway O.O, although it is warmer today, not so many goosebumps. Want me to send you the photos? (Here is a sexy reclining pose ... ) http://www.mangago.me/home/photo/1704525/
Ah, the ancient art of chi-bari.
Yes! Who knew Moi? had such endowments? The bras and sweatshirts usually hide it well, don't you think?
That reminds me, Chapter 3 of Chicken Stalker is up.
Choke it ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9BQAAT10Mw
I'm looking for a multi-volume yaoi, or possible shounen ai, series that came out in the 1990s (not Kusatta Kyoushi No Houteishiki, not Eroica ...). The yaoi didn't arrive until about 90 - 100 chapters into the story. It mimicked KKnoH a lot in that it, also, was about a schoolboy who develops a crush on an older gay man and is rejected outright, many times over, for various reasons, but mainly to do with the fact that he is too young. He persists, nonetheless and eventually grinds his beloved down. The art style was a little stiff, like Banana Fish, but that was normal for those times. Does this ring a bell for anyone?
sorry i'm not of any help, i wanna know too
I hope someone knows about it. ╥﹏╥
I want to know too (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Sorry that i'm no help but i'm really interested in this right now so hopefully someone knows ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Hi! I don't know this specific manga as well but two persons made a list about long shounen-ai+yaoi mangas and some on the lists are from the 90's so hopefully you'll find that one manga you're searching for:
http://www.mangago.me/home/mangalist/1759/
http://www.mangago.me/home/mangalist/29445/
Good luck!(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Thank you for the list recs. If I find the story, I will post a link! *crossing my fingers*
Okay, I am embarrassed that I forgot the name of this story, when it was such a big deal and went on for so long (last chapter printed in 2000.) And it's only about 20-odd chapters, not 120 ... sorry (when I read it last time, it felt like 120 chapters.)
It's Koide Meiko's Yatteraneeze: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/yatteraneeze/
Still classic, old-school yaoi, mind games and all.
OH DAMN I'VE READ THIS ONE BEFORE HOW CAN I FORGET THE TITLE (i always forget titles thats why lol)
Thanks for telling us the title!
Well ... you're welcome! ;-p
Also, because I couldn't remember the title (or even the plot, correctly), it sure was nice having someone provide those lists to point me in the right direction. So, yay for general call-outs, and thanks to Sweet Victuurious.
Yaaayyyy!!! I'm so happy you found what you were looking for! :) Good to know that the list recs were hopeful!! I'm glad to have recommended you those lists.
Has the site been attacked by ransomware?
why do you think so? Just wondering
The Bad Gateway messages I get when I'm trying to connect to the manga-viewing pages or personal message pages, which show up as a disconnect between the Cloudflare service and Mangago. Yet I get the front page just fine.
... although it seems to be working fine now. It was out for a good chunk of time.
Yeah, it was down for several hours.
The massive 73-country ransomware attack was on the front page of my newsfeed today.
Wow. 73 countries?! That's too enormous to comprehend. I'm glad the site is back! I hope it didn't cause too many irreversible problems!
What should probably concern you, given where you live, the attack took place with stolen NSA technology.
I should mention that I don't know why the site was down. It just seemed to be too much of a coincidence. Kaspersky Labs, a Russian cybersecurity firm, reported the attacks.
Wow. I think it's pretty safe to say it's a strong possibility that the two incidents were related. Either way, what a mess!
Or they could've just been doing maintenance.
Yes. A second string possibility.
*strong
I wish there was a "Don't Want to Read" Button to go along with the "Finished Reading", "Am Reading" and "Want to Read" buttons.
Same same. I like the sense of completion ---and, half the time I end up rereading the summaries for a bunch of manga multiple times because I forgot I wasn't interested or didn't like it.
That would be nice. There are times where I start reading something and I eventually/immediately hate it but every once and a while I will go into it anyways because I don't always remember such stuff clearly.
R.I.P. David Bowie. Thank you for your work in breaking down gender barriers, which helped open up yaoi!
Pretty sure that's not true?
If you mean 'open up' in that he and many other people working towards acceptance of the wider LGBTIQ community in the western world, then yeah..but this is only in the west. And as you should know, even if something is illegal, if people want something they'll look for it - case and point, every person on this site.
What DB did was amazing and wonderful. That's an achievement in and of itself. Few people will ever change the world they live in like that. Celebrate his memory and his achievements of his influence for what they are. Incredible in their own right.
I'm not in the habit of saying things (in seriousness) which I do not believe to be true, and I wasn't being ironic or sarcastic.
David Bowie was a huge icon for the breakdown of gender barriers because of his enormous influence on pop culture, which has had a global impact. He could've stayed in the closet, but he didn't.
As for "only in the west", that's mainly because other societies are in reaction. It is a reaction, though, which means the awareness of sexual liberty already exists as a paradigm. It's only a matter of time before it is realized, though I'm not expecting it to happen tomorrow.
If you don't think that western rock stars influenced Japanese pop culture enough to open up yaoi, I suggest you read the Eroica series.
Wasn't it normal for homosexual men in Britain to be arrested as sexual deviants and chemically castrated when Bowie was younger? It was risky to come out, even if he wasn't the only one doing it.
Has anybody else's numbers gone completely haywire? If the notifications I've received lately were even close to real, I would be swimming in followers today instead of welcoming a couple. (Not that I'm complaining. A "Hi, how are ya!" is still a "Hi, how are ya!")
I have not noticed anything off.
BTW - Hi! How are ya?
lol....i think the mods are trying something new. Whenever someone follows you or your list they add it up with the previous numbers of followers & show it to you in a single notification instead of the separate notification they used to show. I used to get really surprised when 1st saw it like that. But i am getting used to it (〜￣△￣)〜
Yeah.. Since the system crashed last week.
- # Followers in Notification's wrong & keeps increasing..
- No History
- Some chapters disappear
- Some topics or reviews also disappear.
I just wait & see for them to be recovered.
According to my stats, I just received 50 followers today, so I guess when they show up I will be doing great! ;-D In the meantime, I will just have to put up with doing semi-great. Like 2 or 3 on a scale of feeling greatness, instead of 50, which, since it's all great, is just fine. Or something like that.
Something new? Like elevating one's hopes and dreams up to supersonic level and then letting them crash? LOL.
Anyway, it's weird and glitchy.
Topics or reviews disappearing? OH NO!!!
ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ
hahaha....you wrote exactly how i felt the 1st time i saw notification of 10 people following my list & then later found out it was only 1. Mangago just automatically added the last 9 and showed it to me, like a kid pulling a prank Σ( ￣□￣||)
For me it started happening for about a week/little less than a week now. Yours might have started from a bit earlier may be? as your account is older than mine. I am just assuming all this though.
Censorship, mangago?
what are you talking about?
The comments which don't show up on the feed.
oh the thing they check before letting us post things?
You can pretty much post anything you like. It just won't show up on the feed. And it's really random about what does or doesn't show up.
well I'm guessing it is there more for people who wright nonsensical stuff mostly to lead or advertise to another site
Perhaps that is all that it is...random comments don't show? I have noticed that if a new manga is posted - no comments appear at all, so maybe a flaw in links?
Nope.
But it sure makes it hard if you want to track an interesting convo.
It could be because it's new manga. It's surprising, because it's the comments that often draw you to look at the manga. So, if the comments aren't showing ...
Too true...it is often what draws me to read something. I like to skim the feeds for new reads.
Or what repels you. I mean, when you have people tagging gang-rape stories as cute and fluffy, or throwing hardcore fetish and BDSM onto "My Sweet Woobie-Lurv" lists, you kinda want to read the comments to get a better sense of what's really going on with that story.
Hmmm...those who tag rape as cute actually make me shake my head. If they write something like 'intense' or whatever ... then sometimes I will try. But 'cute' is used far too often in my opinion.
That being said, if the comments look interesting, then I will give them a chance.
I agree with you, the tags sometimes are sooo misleading. On the other hand the comments don't always help much, some of them describe the manga as "cute", "fluffy" or whatever while I wanna punch the mc or scream with anger. I know it can be just me, people don't have to agree with my opinion. Plus some comments contain major spoilers with no warning which I hate. So usually I read other people's opinions after reading a manga... The most helpful thing IMO are the reviews (described here as "Comments" so maybe you were referring to them, I meant the so called "Topics").
I'm pretty sure it's a glitch in the comment program. Mangago has never censored anything, even when they got hit with the annoyed button dozens of times.
That usually happens to me when I use inappropriate language (I remember one time in particular that I suspect was because I used the F word). I'm not sure if it's the same for anyone else though.
Why do people do this? I've seen some freaky stuff tagged "comedy" and "sweet" among other things and I just look at it like, lol are we even reading the same manga?? Perhaps they had Blue Sky Complex or Katekyo or something open on another tab and accidentally reviewed the wrong manga.
Okay. But it's weird, don't you think, that they have a site which hosts manga in which every conceivable kink and fetish is entertained, but nobody can describe them?
I agree, it's extremely weird, especially considering that this website is like 99% yaoi. Who are they protecting here, on a site full of NSFW content? Practically everybody reading on this site has read the same words used in the manga that they read...on this site.
Yes!
I need a translation guide to figuring out what all these little chirpy things are: Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
Speaking of which, thanks Mangago.
it's simple~~
(⌒▽⌒) = happy person
╮(￣▽￣)╭ = happy person who don't give a fuck
ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ = farting person (or running? running while farting??)
(●￣(ｴ)￣●) = blushing bear
and etc.
HAHA+ (●'◡'●)V
ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ = farting person (or running? running while farting??) .. hahahaha you made my day ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ .. even I don't understand this ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
Its not blushing bear....its actually Pedro bear xD and lol the farting part xD
LOL!
I think this ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ is something like Kya! Kya! So happy! Kyuun!
I think this ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ is something like Kya! Kya! So happy! Kyuun!
I think this ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ is something like Kya! Kya! So happy!
Wow, you seem to post everything in triplicate. Is that intentional? Or is your Ok, Post It button acting weird on you?
Maybe shes using tablet? Or phone? Cause touchscreens are really troublesome....mine sometimes acts like that
Hi shin. Yeah, I noticed a few people have been having that problem, so it seems to be a sort of glitch.
I'm really sorry to post it in triplicate. I was using my phone and this happened ┗( T﹏T )┛
It's no skin off my teeth, but it looks like it's a nuisance for you. At least I really, really know what to use when I want to convey the Kya-Kya feeling (while farting.)
@Merry & Thot, Don't bothered with that it's just a glitch that happened to many users about the same time. Not only on the front page I also saw some on the manga page. (▰˘◡˘▰)
Then... thank you for telling me!
Happy New Year to everybody who celebrates it tonight.
Yay!!to you too
Anyone saw the taiwan 101 fireworks?superb~
happy new yaer to ya''ll
I need to say this. Stockholm Syndrome is one of the great romance plot devices, but it isn't real, just like rape in romance literature isn't real. It's bunkum.
The American Psychiatric Association does not list Stockholm Syndrome amongst its pathologies and disorders. It does not recognize the syndrome. This is for sound reasons. It isn't because the evidence was not examined. It was amply scrutinized. The rejection was based on that evidence was incomplete, incorrect (distorted) and ultimately used to harm, rather than support, victims and survivors of violence.
So, if you want to read stories about frail, helpless Cinderellas and Cinderfellas who fall in love with their abusive Gonad-Scratchers, go ahead! Scratch that itch all you like. Get off in your fantasies, but don't go around saying Stockholm Syndrome, like it comes across in fiction, is anything like what victims of violence experience.
I don't really know where you're going with this. Trying to debate (moreover you seem pissed?) in a yaoi website is pretty much useless.
As wtf said, of course it isn't listed in the DSM, well... because it's not a disorder, it's a subtype of traumatic bonding.
Nope. It's about setting the record straight. Too many readers of yaoi claim "Stockholm Syndrome" for the romantic trope of ukes falling for abusive semes, as though the traumatic bonding that you describe (less actual bonding so much as calculated risk assessment and management tactics under the covert guise of friendship and intimacy) is the same thing.
Also, it wasn't listed in the DSM because Berjerot's thesis has been largely invalidated in subsequent studies. For one thing, he didn't bother to interview the subjects of his investigation, in particular the survivors of the Normalmstorg event and Kristen Enmark. When they finally told their side of the story, it was very clear that their actions were driven by very different motivations, fears of incompetence and endangerment by the police, not romantic feelings at all. Their emotional states and somatic responses more closely align to PTSD.
Also, not pissed, but definitely experiencing an urgency to stop the correlation of romantic tropes too closely to a syndrome which has been used to pathologize behaviour of survivors of violence, one which makes them appear crazy for, either, reacting to immediate or recent trauma, or "playing for an end game" with their best chances at survival with the best information, experience and resources they have at their disposal. The fact that yaoi is fiction matters.
I feel the same way. In the school where I work, there have been rare incidents of child abuse. Children protect their parents because they don't know anything else, and they believe they would literally die if they don't. The abuser is better than what a child imagines as the alternative, but children are shattered in the process.
Most school systems have intervention procedures in place with trained professional to deal with suspected cases of abuse and neglect in such a way that children are not traumatized further. If it is necessary to remove children, they will do so.
I'm trying to parse your last sentence since you surely don't believe that children should remain in harm's way (which is what it almost sounds like you've written.) Do you mean that they protect their abusers because they can't imagine anything better, and that this experience tears them apart? (I'm assuming that's what you mean.)
I don't really get what you're saying 'nope' to, since you didn't contradict me; don't create a straw man please.
I agree w/ you; so many pseudo psychologists tried to make a thesis about Stockholm syndrome (among many others subjects), without verifying the facts beforehand, because they knew the hype would bring them readers. I already acknowledged it isn't a disorder. But inappropriate generalization wont change the fact that there are real-life occurrences:
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4493 (both Brian Andrew Dunning and Dr. Steven Novella are skeptics than I learned to trust through the years)
And of course it can lead to PTSD in extreme cases.
Regarding the yaois readers... well I do hope most of us know how to separate fiction from reality.
I was noping the "you sound pissed?" question.
In terms of your final remark about hoping that most yaoi readers know how to separate fiction from reality, the only reason I brought it up in the first place is to address that problem. There must've been a run of manga with abusive lover themed stories, because there has certainly been a run of comments from readers who---while they do not necessarily confuse all yaoi with real life---are certainly confused about Stockholm Syndrome and have certainly correlated the yaoi misrepresentations with real life occurrences.
It is exactly this misrepresentation which readers are taking away, time and again: "This really happens", "We learned about this in school", "This is real" ... I mean, for goodness sake! Sure, I have a tendency, when frustrated, to cry out, "Stop it!" Hence, the absolutisms in my initial comment.
Now, you agree that the syndrome is not a disorder, but that is certainly how it is represented in yaoi (as manifesting outright bipolar or schizophrenic). As your author pointed out, it is also not a valid medical subject, and, although I like Skeptoid magazine and read up on evolutionary psychology, that particular angle is inadequate. This, especially since the author seems to feel it sufficiently handles the issue of the syndrome's lack of inclusion in the DSM. I defer to peer-reviewed publications with a broader approach to mental health and society, also available online [Wade, et al; some 90 other publications], because of Berjerot's incomplete research and the way his evidence is distorted to embed systemic misogyny. I defer to them because the consequences of this distortion, in terms of continued harm to people who have already been badly hurt, are very difficult to unstitch and heal. The entire comment thread was to intended to spark some conversation about a much more complex set of behaviours than yaoi tends to present.
There's nothing I could disagree with in you answer, and I haven't read enough yaoi to know about the PTSDs described. Thanks for clarifying my misunderstanding of your previous post, and for your sources.
*clearing
I meant that children lie for their abusive family members because they are too scared to think of life without them.