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May 25, 2017 9:49 pm

Am I the only one who feels bad for Jiwook? I know that he did bad and stupid stuff. And I also know that he was someone who lead to his own brother's suicide.

BUT!!!!!!! He's a kid (YES! A KID! A TEEN!) who didn't know what to do. He loved his brother so much but wanted to have his own identity that he continued to hold back his feelings until they exploded.

Yes, sure, he was immature to automatically think that his brother would know what he was thinking. BUT who has good communication skills at that age? I definitely didn't! Maybe he felt that his brother was being stupidly oblivious to the differences of treatment they were getting. IDK...

Yes, sure, it was a dumb idea to hold a grudge towards his brother. BUT doesn't holding a grudge mean that he still wants the attention from his brother? Doesn't wanting to get a reaction from his brother still a call for attention from his brother?

YES, I know that Jiwook is a little twisted but I can't ignore his feelings and experiences. Yeah, he made a dick move. A lot of them. But even seeing that he was trying to copy Joohoon, I thought he just wanted approval from someone.

LOL, I don't know anymore. I might sound angry but I was just trying to explain my own feelings and as someone who kinda felt the inferiority towards a sibling. I know that Jiwook's back story doesn't excuse his behavior and attitude towards his real brother and to Taemin. But I don't want to ignore his story... ahaha but I totally feel the people who still hate Jiwook too.

LOL, this got too long. Thanks for everyone who read it all ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

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  • Rain May 25, 2017 10:27 pm

    I felt a bit bad for him - but that doesn't excuse any of the pain he caused his brother. Actually I started to wonder if he was mentally ill. If he was hallucinating.

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    May 25, 2017 10:47 pm
    I felt a bit bad for him - but that doesn't excuse any of the pain he caused his brother. Actually I started to wonder if he was mentally ill. If he was hallucinating. Rain

    Oh, yes! I don't excuse any of the stuff he did. He's a definite dick. lol. But I just felt so bad for him and his experiences. It's a very relatable life experience for me.

    And to what you were saying, I think if he were mentally ill, Jiwook would be depressed or have low self-esteem from the environment he was in. (Or if you were referring to Siwon, he definitely was depressed, had PTSD, and was suicidal - which I DO NOT BLAME HIM FOR)

    But I don't think it was an influence of mental illness that makes Jiwook a dick lol. I think it's the environment he was raised in and the causes and effects that bounce back and forth between him and the people around him. Also, it's also his personality. He was not twisted but holding in his feelings and having complex things occur at once caused the distorted image we and he has of himself.

  • Beignets May 25, 2017 11:49 pm

    No ships given! Come back when you're a main character Jiwook.
    (╬ ̄皿 ̄)凸

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May 23, 2017 6:41 pm

I definitely like this story... sometimes I hate this story but I always come back to read it because I'm just tempted every time... ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ So I conclude that I have a love-hate relationship with it~

BUT what I really need to say is that I feel like I'm getting no where with this story... there seems to be no plot apart from the game and the development of the couples and sex (which I don't really mind at all lol ლ(´ڡ`ლ)) But I do want some plot and movement of the story... especially with Karino and Azusa. THEY ONLY FIGHT AND HAVE SEX (again, i don't mind lol but i want more from them)...

Am I the only one who feels this way? Do others disagree and feel that there is more plot that I just haven't opened my eyes to? Please tell me! I feel lost every time I read this story but I can't stop reading it!!!!!!!!!!! I want to fall in love with this story even more but I just feel so lost~

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  • Kate LeClair May 23, 2017 7:12 pm

    I agree with you) i'd also love some charachter/relationship development. There is potential here, and author gives some hints about not-only-sexual relationships between boys, but it's not fully revealed yet. And will it or not - that's a question I hope it will, because yeah sex is good and all (and we don't mind), but it would be more interesting to see some interaction between characters))

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    May 23, 2017 7:45 pm
    I agree with you) i'd also love some charachter/relationship development. There is potential here, and author gives some hints about not-only-sexual relationships between boys, but it's not fully revealed yet. ... Kate LeClair

    yes yes yes! You have totally summed up what I've wanted to say! I was trying to be careful NOT to write something too triggering, especially with how others perceive this manga. But you have done it!

    I want the character and relationship development in this manga to cross the line a bit more. The mangaka is GREAT about making us anxious but I really hope there is more than twisted-ness in the manga.

    IT'S SO CLOSE TO A ROMANTIC-ish/ LOVE PLOT BUT SO FAR AT THE SAME TIME~

  • Anoni Grrl
    May 23, 2017 7:47 pm

    I would like to know more about Karino, and it wouldn't hurt to see something bad happen (even something small) to him too. i don't hate Karino.

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    May 23, 2017 9:10 pm
    I would like to know more about Karino, and it wouldn't hurt to see something bad happen (even something small) to him too. i don't hate Karino. Anoni Grrl

    lol. I get it. You don't hate Karino but want to see something happen to him so we can see him off guard or see a development in his character, right?

  • Anoni Grrl
    May 23, 2017 9:13 pm
    lol. I get it. You don't hate Karino but want to see something happen to him so we can see him off guard or see a development in his character, right? ...

    Yes. Also every so often I'd like to see Aszua come out ahead--just a little bit, even for a short time.

  • Kate LeClair May 25, 2017 1:46 pm
    yes yes yes! You have totally summed up what I've wanted to say! I was trying to be careful NOT to write something too triggering, especially with how others perceive this manga. But you have done it! I want th... ...

    Aw thank you! (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ
    So now will be a lot of text. And I apologise beforehand for my English, I'm not a native speaker.
    I actually admire (somewhat) how Ogawa Chise manages to draw some reeeal twisted up SHIT in one stories and good deep plot in others. I just hope that this manga will end up as good as it possibly can in this kind of "universe", not in that "wow, and that's the end? well, thanks I just threw away a good portion of my time into the bin" kind of way.
    *not trying to offend anyone, but it happens sometimes* So yeah.
    I just think sometimes it's good to read some PWP/smut, you know, to relax maybe *to wank xDDD*, but I prefer this types of manga to be oneshots or maybe 1-2 chapters long, because, you know, PWP *duh* x) So when a story is already 14 ch long I'm kinda waiting for some good plot and character development, otherwise it'll become boring ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    And about not triggering anyone, yeah, I feel you here :)
    Sometimes I feel like I'm walking on a minefield trying to write my opinion on one thing or the other. But I guess it's better to not really care about someone liking your comment or not, you can't please everyone, there always will be people who will not agree with your opinion. It's just life :) Unless you're offending someone, it's ok to share your thoughts.
    Because, you know, some people are not shy at all telling others "your comment is shit you don't know anything so go away" *exaggerating here a little bit* ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    So yeah)
    And before someone starts to throw poop at me, I will take my leave ^^

  • Kate LeClair May 25, 2017 2:06 pm
    I would like to know more about Karino, and it wouldn't hurt to see something bad happen (even something small) to him too. i don't hate Karino. Anoni Grrl

    I agree with you :)
    I think it will teach him a little bit to not take everything for granted. To actually see that some things can be taken away from him, that he can't always be in control of the situation.

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    May 25, 2017 2:25 pm
    Aw thank you! (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づSo now will be a lot of text. And I apologise beforehand for my English, I'm not a native speaker. I actually admire (somewhat) how Ogawa Chise manages to draw some reeeal twisted... Kate LeClair

    LOL, your comment in the end killed me. And your English is fine - it's pretty good for not being a native speaker!

    And AGAIN! I agree with all you said. It's hard when reading this story because I just feel like the twisted-ness of the story is just being dragged for way too long and I seem to always need to re-read the story to figure out if I missed part of a plot (but I missed nothing because there's only bullying and sex - which I don't mind ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ ... It just gets repetitive (/TДT)/ )

    Ahahaha, before someone starts to throw poop at me too (and before you get annoyed with all the long comments and notifications) I'll take my leave too!~ ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

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