kumadori-dono

I think fantasy is a big part of it. In yaoi all of the fucked up semes eventually apologize and try to do right and that doesn't really happen in real life so people read it and like it because it lets them experience what they want but would likely never happen? When the characters are all fucked up and don't change a lot of people do speak out. But also, a lot of people relate. Not everyone is morally clean and everyone has made mistakes in the past so in yaoi they really just see bits and pieces of human psychology etc, it's not really about undue romanticism, it's just how it is. Life, relationships etc are messy, yaoi helps people work through them.

Women get objectified all the time. What's your point?

I understand you so hard right now.
I usually look for stories where consent is given, as in Ten Count (I am certain it was consensual, but now I am realizing I cannot recalled a yes being given), Escaped Journey (there is a rape, but they both know it is rape and there is an apology...I believe) and more.

As someone that hates raped, romanticization of pedophilia, it gets trying sometimes finding a good manga to read.

because that's the point in most yaoi. not all boys look like pretty flowers in real life. there's nothing real about. the only reason they start to look horrible is because you're looking at them from a real life point of view. you're not supposed to do that. some yaois are supposed to be looked at like that, but most are not. the only reason they became horrible is because you started looking at them differently. real life doesn't apply to most yaoi.

OMG you're right! Look at all the cases of people reading yaoi and then going out and INSISTING on being raped because it's so romantic. Oh wait! That never happens! You know why? Because people aren't morons like you. These are stories. Stories are metaphors, not reality. Humans have worked out their feelings via fiction since they crawled out of the slime. Fiction is a safe place to explore all aspects of humanity, even the darkest. And a safe place to leave those feelings without carrying them into real life.

And what the hell with saying how glad you are that you stopped reading "that kind of stuff" when you just admitted you still read it?

I think just because they like the manga doesn't necessarily mean they "romanticize this kind of things". And also a manga is something that isn't real isn't this why it should be irelevant rather the main character get raped or not?

Not rather I mean whether*

Most of us are smart enough to differentiate fiction from reality. Porn objectifies both women and men, but humans are still going to continue watching it because wanting to titillate one aspect of our fantasies is completely normal. Most people understand that yaoi/yuri/porn is escapist fiction, not reality. I don't condone rape under any circumstance, and reading rapey stories certainly doesn't mean that I do.

Sí tienes razón. Yo personalmente evito mangas donde toman las violaciones o el incesto a la ligera. Como dices h shinaide es un manga que sigo leyendo porque dio un giro pero siempre me ha molestado los inicios y en el último capítulo hubo muchos comentarios estúpidos como tu dices porque siempre los hay pero también hubo gente que se quejó de la manera tan rápida de zanjar el tema entre ellas yo. La verdad es que yo empecé con el yaoi con Koisuru Boukun y al principio me encantó pero ahora no lo trago por esa razón y porque me molesta como se disfrazan situaciones abusivas o enfermizas, y éso que éso que fue sólo hace unos meses XD. Así que para que veas como podemos cambiar y aprender al profundizar leyendo mangas más serios y mejor escritos. De todas formas, para mí que Japón es una sociedad muy sexista y tiene normalizadas cosas que en occidente nos chirría como el maltrato dentro de las relaciones de pareja o en las familias, no sé. Pero sí, a mí también me alucina la cantidad de comentarios en plan qué sexy uhmmm o cosas así que veo, yo asumo que son niñas de 15 años en la edad del pavo y que ya creceran, o eso espero.

And that's why I like to read mangas, where you and characters know that it was rape and it's fucked up. If I want to read a nice romantic story, I read a manga where both of partners wanted to have sex.
And yes, I still read mangas where rape looks like it's okay and there is not an apology afterwards. However, I like to read yaoi, and if I want to read lots of yaoi I have to read these ones too. Actually, when I think about it in the most popular yaoi mangas there is some kind of rape. Hidoku Shinaide, Junjou Romantica (Misaki/Usami - i still consider it somehow rape), Sekaiichi Hatsukoi, Viewfinder, Koisuru Boukun.... And I can continue. But we still read it, because we are used to it. Most of us started with yaois, where uke says "no" but the seme continues. I don't like it and I am thinking about this issue more and more. And even after rethinking this topic, I can't stop reading it and enjoying it. I feel guilty :/

If you compare it to porn, I would say it's about the same in regards to objectifying, no consent, rape, etc. and also the comments of the viewer. I agree with the others that it's fantasy and an outlet to play around with whatever interests the author has.
But I wouldn't say it's absolutely harmless, if you read about something (no matter what) all the time in a way that describes it as something normal or not so bad after all, you might start to unconsciously adopt this opinion to a certain degree.
Btw there was a question recently asking what we didn't like in yaoi mangas, and next to shota/femine-looking uke, rape und especially falling in love after rape was one of the most commonly listed things, so I think you're perception of the genre and its readers might not be absolutely accurate.

Here is the link to the above mentioned question: http://www.mangago.me/thing/about/2319/?filter=date

Buf, despues de leer todos estos comentarios mi esperanza en la humanidad ha decaido. No sabía yo que yaoi significaba violacion casi garantizada, creia que era amor entre dos hombres con sexo explicito. Pero bueno...

smart people can differentiate reality to fantasy. if i don't like something, i won't read it. i don't like incest, i don't read it. i don't like shotacon, i don't read it. i don't like rape, i won't read it. i won't bash people who read those things tho. it is a FANTASY. only stupid people want those things in real life. i doubt real life pedophiles, sociopath, psychopath or whatever -path like to read manga.

IMO You can't lump sum all yaoi into one basket like that. There're also tons of healthy deep touched love in yaoi out there for you to choose.. Just PICK to read & like whatever that suits your taste. That's all.

there is rape happening in every corner of the earth in real life have you ever thought of that ? reality is a cruel thing in life with rape murder trauma scars and no happy ending at all dude .....Yaoi is fiction with flash of reality but with a happy fucking ending unlike reality and yaoi is not filled with just rape there are pretty sweet romantic ones too we all have some dark desires that can be sated with yaoi when i was feeling down ameiro paradox helped me see my dark life in flashy colors even if it has some twisted sick story's everyone has their own preference or tendencies or whatever they call it just search for yours and quit bitching about it cuz if you don't like rape yaoi then i don't like tragedy but hey everyone dies and that's why i completely avoid reading tragedy related manga