The Trouble with Trolls.

I Thot You Was a Toad
June 28, 2017 6:00 pm

Here are all the reasons why, if you have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion, you need to create and sign in to an account in order to put a consistent identity behind your words.

Long-term members, here, are relatively known quantities. People get a sense of who they are dealing with. We get to know what to expect from certain names-and-icons. We get to know who shows humour, intelligence, compassion and understanding, who makes spelling mistakes, has writing tics, what some of their tastes are in manga. A sense develops of ages, cultural backgrounds, education, careers, family, past tragedies and mistakes, the things that make them happy, who’s sweet, fierce, subtle, passionate, friendly, lusty, hilarious, has a strong sense of fairness. We know who has a temper and who has a big ego *raises hand*. We know who steals lists and copies reviews. We know who uses bots. It all shows up over time.

Whereas, you … who are you? Seriously. WhoTF are you? Because, as long as you’re anon, you’re the same person as Llort and Hoera-the-Sexplorer and all those assholes who post fake news and revenge porn, sell rohypnol and elephant tranquilizers online, bully teenagers into suicide, and organize crime and terrorism. As somebody pointed out to me yesterday, anonymous chooses to ellide his/her identity into a monolith of all anons, a Leviathan, which means the best anon is only ever as good as the worst anon, and nothing can be done to elevate the worst anon, because the worst anon is only around for the Lulz or worse.

“Judge me only on what I say!” Anon cries. Me, I, only I, I am. Except, that requires individuality, and anon has already eschewed that. The soul is missing. The fate of his or her contribution to the discussion is undermined by every other anon in that monolith, including those who are demonstrably mentally ill, violent, septic with hatred and bigotry, whiny about privilege, butthurt and with a big ax to grind from being exposed as a dickhead, or just eaten alive by envy, pride and malice.

This is because anonymous indicates something to hide, and people here have seen it all: sock puppet theatre, upvote rigging, baiting people into religious/anti-religious intolerance, suppressing dissent, threats of doxxing. It doesn’t matter if anon has clever words or things of value to share. Anon hides from light and exposure, so all worth is lost.

“Everybody on this site is Anon.” Anon blusters. Yes, but no. After time, we get to know each other and get a sense of what to expect. We notice who just signed up, who hasn’t read any manga, who only ever posts during peak troll. Whereas you …

Even if you know your views are unpopular and will probably set off a shitstorm, sign up and sign in before you post them. Otherwise, you’re just ….

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  • mrl98
    June 28, 2017 6:52 pm

    Personally, I know some people who find it a big hassle to create an account, they're not too deep into manga but they sometimes comment. That's totally fine. I myself sometimes post in anon state when at work, since it's like 30 mins and leaving too much bother to sign in.
    Thing some people don't want to create an account for various reasons.
    This site needs to IPban some trolls and we will be free (hopefully)- or activate a feature where a topic/comment with more than -10 will get deleted automatically.

  • I Thot You Was a Toad
    June 28, 2017 7:01 pm
    Personally, I know some people who find it a big hassle to create an account, they're not too deep into manga but they sometimes comment. That's totally fine. I myself sometimes post in anon state when at work... mrl98

    There was a down-vote feature. It didn't delete, but it covered the comment. That got rigged.

    I know there are reasons why people want to stay anon. Good reasons. Reasons they don't need to justify to anyone. Even just because they want to.

    All I'm saying is, posting as an anon means you get lumped in with every asshole who wants to stay anon because they're assholes.

  • mrl98
    June 28, 2017 7:06 pm
    There was a down-vote feature. It didn't delete, but it covered the comment. That got rigged. I know there are reasons why people want to stay anon. Good reasons. Reasons they don't need to justify to anyone. E... I Thot You Was a Toad

    you're right. I stopped posting as an anon because of this, I hope others will consider the state of the site and create an account.

  • tokidoki
    June 28, 2017 7:29 pm

    Words of wisdom here, my friend. Anon/Anonymous posters complain when they get sass back at them, but they do not necessarily need to make an account, my friend Nonni (yeah, that's really here name) does not have an account, but always comments using that name, and is thus recognized.
    Having an account when you request recommendations is useful as people can check your reading list to see what you enjoyed in the past, and it helps for notifications and such, but there are some longtime Finder posters (like Reality Bites) that do not log in either but she is still recognizable.
    Anon posters need to be aware that they get lumped with the trolls and haters though.

  • I Thot You Was a Toad
    June 28, 2017 8:12 pm
    Words of wisdom here, my friend. Anon/Anonymous posters complain when they get sass back at them, but they do not necessarily need to make an account, my friend Nonni (yeah, that's really here name) does not ha... tokidoki

    I recognize Nonni. I've conversed with her as anony-Nonni (which, with a hey and a ho, sounds Shakespearean.) I've also read comments by Reality Bytes.

    This isn't about suppressing anonymity, agitating to have IP addresses posted, or singling people out. There are some readers who come to this site who would be crucified if hostile members of their family, colleagues, neighbours or local secret police ever figured out they were posting here. I don't want to deprive them of anonymity or the freedom to comment anonymously. But if they do, and people with borderline antisocial personality disorders also happen to be trolling anonymously on the thread around the same time, then that's who they are. Even if it isn't.

  • EldrichAngel
    June 28, 2017 8:22 pm

    The anon option is supposed to be for people with anxiety. Not mask for bullies to hide behind.

  • MOI?
    June 28, 2017 9:03 pm

    i have to point out a big mistake of yours... you forgot the "fluffy" category... *sniff* just sayin' ( ̄へ ̄) (*feeling left out*)

  • dragonlady June 28, 2017 9:07 pm

    Agreed, I find it difficult to trust anons, god knows who they are. Of course there are some longtime anons who are recognizable but they can be imitated too.

  • I Thot You Was a Toad
    June 28, 2017 9:22 pm
    The anon option is supposed to be for people with anxiety. Not mask for bullies to hide behind. EldrichAngel

    The anon option is for whatever anyone wants it to be. For some, it's a matter of simple freedom. For some it's life and death. For some, it's because they can't be arsed to sign in. There doesn't have to be a reason.

    One funny example I had pointed out to me was where an anon adopted a "voice of reason" as one identity, and then, a whole Greek Chorus of anonymous assholes as others. They must've gotten tired after awhile because they slipped up and it became obvious that they were—all of them—the same person. And the big argument 'they' were defending was that 'they' should be judged on the meaning of 'their' words, not on 'their' identity. Why, then? If you (universal you, not personal you) have a reasonable and rational argument, why not just state it and leave it to be judged for what it really is, instead of trying to manufacture a nonexistent consensus of opinion? If the argument has merit, then it doesn't need agreement. It can just stand on the validity of its premises. Instead, this particular troll undermined his whole thesis by letting his multiple masks slip. Anyway, that's just an example.

    I tend to look at the culture of trolling when it appears, especially on site like this where we have people from so many different countries and where the subject matter is fraught with actual danger for some people's safety and livelihood. It is a tool for suppressing dissent. It is used to send a chilling effect on discourse and protest. It is about imposing authoritarian values. When you have trolls on a site making life difficult for individuals or just in general, then people start discussing how to impose identity from outside the site, by revealing IPs, for example. That kills off the chance for participation for people who can't access TOR, etc.. That's why I think it's important to establish a personal body of discussions, arguments, even outright flame wars if one must, as a brand.

  • I Thot You Was a Toad
    June 28, 2017 9:27 pm
    Words of wisdom here, my friend. Anon/Anonymous posters complain when they get sass back at them, but they do not necessarily need to make an account, my friend Nonni (yeah, that's really here name) does not ha... tokidoki

    What happened to my response to you? It keeps popping up and then disappearing?

  • I Thot You Was a Toad
    June 28, 2017 9:30 pm
    i have to point out a big mistake of yours... you forgot the "fluffy" category... *sniff* just sayin' ( ̄へ ̄) (*feeling left out*) MOI?

    Sorry, I had you under "vicious man-eating brute" behind the same bars as KyoNaZa. Back, you monster! Back. *cracks whip*

  • tokidoki
    June 28, 2017 9:31 pm
    What happened to my response to you? It keeps popping up and then disappearing? I Thot You Was a Toad

    Not sure. maybe it is getting deleted? This is the first response I have seen, but I have been away from the computer for a while ...

  • I Thot You Was a Toad
    June 28, 2017 9:31 pm
    Agreed, I find it difficult to trust anons, god knows who they are. Of course there are some longtime anons who are recognizable but they can be imitated too. dragonlady

    *nods* It has certainly happened before. On this site, it even happens to the trolls.

  • tokidoki
    June 28, 2017 9:34 pm
    i have to point out a big mistake of yours... you forgot the "fluffy" category... *sniff* just sayin' ( ̄へ ̄) (*feeling left out*) MOI?

    Ah, Polito , here is some snax and a drink ... (please leave clothes on, it is chilly today)

  • I Thot You Was a Toad
    June 28, 2017 9:36 pm
    Not sure. maybe it is getting deleted? This is the first response I have seen, but I have been away from the computer for a while ... tokidoki

    Weird. Okay ... nope, there it is again. Above Eldritchangel's comment.

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