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i know this might be like an exhausted topic, but in my opinion (again, OPINION - don't threaten me or anything) there are no genuine merits to the omegaverse genre. its simply glorified rape fantasies, and characters all fit into this one sex-driven role that dictates their behavior and relationships. it's weirdly predatory and almost pedophilic to me because the omegas are always like weirdly infantilized and childlike. imo it's also a way in which to completely exclude women from the universe because cis men can give birth through their asshole or whatever. in almost every omegaverse ive unfortunately read, ive always found that the romance and development of the relationship is heavily reliant on or would not exist without the "base" instinct of a dominant, lustful alpha creeping upon an innocently seductive omega. it reinforces these weird heteronormative gender roles while still somehow getting rid of women, and maybe once in a million years do i ever actually find a good story (and only ever in fanfiction too - never in original works). feel free to disagree with me, but i guess im just curious as to what draws people into this genre.

i think as yaoi/bl is becoming more mainstream these days and "trending," certain arguments and accusations are getting rehashed. one being the fetishization and anti-fujoshi side of the debate.
you can check my account. i've made plenty criticism of and questioned the bl genre. however! women enjoying yaoi does NOT equate to men enjoying lesbian porn. men fetishizing lesbian relationships often reinforces a patriarchal system where the male gaze dominates and women's sexuality is performed for men. in contrast, women engaging with yaoi is typically an act of reclaiming the gaze itself. it's about exploring sexuality from a female perspective, free from the traditional role of being the objectified subject. one upholds an existing power structure, while the other subverts it to create a space for female desire.
additionally, consider the cultural, geographic, and historical context of these stories. these ideas aren't entirely my own (many ppl have probs made these points lol, and also i saw a tik tok recently of a woman explaining something similar) btw. but basically, queerness and queer people have been shunned as taboo and exist on the margins of society. therefore, it is natural that queer stories will also follow that pattern - both as reclaiming that social position and also because existing in the mainstream subconsciously feels abnormal. might i add that women being sexual creatures with desires and sex drives is also a taboo and shunned concept, especially in Asia. it makes sense, then, that media that explores these things will represent and resemble that "taboo" dynamic. yaoi/bl as a whole is also a shifting and developing genre that grows over time. the types of stories we see put out reflect that. AND id argue that straight stories honestly depict very similarly harmful topics and ideas and are arguably much more powerful in influencing social dynamics and culture than bl.
really rough argument. i could talk about all this for hours. but its been on my mind for a while, esp because the more people that actually get into yaoi/bl, naturally the more critical people will be without understanding the history and culture of it.

i just need to get my thoughts out somewhere. many yaois revolve around themes that echo hallmarks of psychological thrillers: surveillance, secrecy, stalking, deception, emotional entrapment, and sexual assault. however, they're reinterpreted through a romantic lens. sex is a way of exerting power, control, obedience, and subjugation of (very often) more feminine persons, all while presenting it as desirable and a source of pleasure when in fact actual good, safe sex is far from what bl usually depicts it to be. bl then often makes the audience complicit, seduced into rooting for problematic characters or relationships. lack of communication, consent, and ideas of toxic masculinity are used to further relationships and are brushed past as something attractive and loving rather than abusive and creepy. sex becomes less a mutual act of connection and more a mechanism for asserting power, obedience, and subjugation - most often toward the more feminized character. i am talking very specifically about yaoi, and not shounen ai here, by the way, when i say that romantic tension often is indistinguishable from an undeveloped and forced sexual attraction. lack of communication, skewed power imabalnces, and rigid ideas of masculinity are not only central to the development of many yaoi pairings - they are portrayed as the very conditions under which love can flourish. romance is often merely the aesthetic of stories that are, at their core, about the commodification of vulnerability. scenes of non/dubcon are very common and are often depicted as the turning point where a resistant character (USUALLY the 'bottom') 'realizes' they want it after all. they are often pivotal to the 'romance' or narrative. it teaches a young or more impressionable audience that love can begin in violence, that no can mean yes, and that consent is a hurdle to be overcome rather than a foundation to be honored. the 'bottom' is watched, stalked, worn down, and remade—and we are asked to feel satisfaction when they finally submit. this is not just problematic—it is the architecture of a thriller. violence becomes tenderness and manipulation becomes love. predation and excessive possessiveness and controlling behavior becomes protection. this IS a psychological horror and thriller. there are very few BLs that lean into this to portray these dynamics as they truly are. the problem isn't that bl can be dark, or violent or messy - queer narratives, like all ones, should be allowed the complexity. HOWEVER, the issue is when violence is romanticized without interrogation and when dominance becomes the sole framework for intimacy. to say that much of yaoi is a masked psychological thriller isnt to dismiss the genre, but to call attention to the structures and patterns that underlie it, and to ask: what are we (as WOMEN especially, being the target audience) being made to desire? who does the story want us to root for, and why?
i also understand that BL/yaoi can be a reprieve from the objectification experienced in explicitly heterosexual media, and in no way am i trying to bash on anyone who enjoys or frequents yaoi. especially since for most women, theyre socialized in environments where sexuality is either policed or hyper exposed, so through yaoi readers can explore desire without the immediate personal identification or fear of violence that may accompany hetero narratives. yaoi also prioritizes emotional intensity, longing, and interiority. it destigmatizes sexual relations. the very reason this critique matters is bc readers care deeply about the stories they consume. they're not just escapist fantasies - they're maps of longing, identity, and emotional experimentation. in talking about yaoi, i just want to ask - 'what is this doing, and why does it feel so compelling?' how can we improves narratives from objectifying and commodifying vulnerability and femininity and queerness into something more empowering and outright critical of patriarchal norms? yeah sorry this was rly long.

If you haven't heard, in the past year, the Chinese government has launched an incredibly aggressive literary crackdown. Over 30 danmei authors—mostly women in their 20s—have been arrested, fined, and imprisoned simply for writing and distributing queer fiction online. Many published through Haitang Literature City, a Taiwan-based site, to avoid mainland censorship. Some are facing up to five years in prison, with one author fined more than the equivalent of $40,000 USD. One of them, Ci Xi, was sentenced to 66 months behind bars. Another, Yun Jian, got 4.5 years. Some made only a few hundred dollars off their writing. This is not “obscenity” enforcement. This is a targeted, ideological attack on women, on queerness, on fiction, and on creative freedom. This is also an economic attack. Chinese officials have coined it "fishing in distant seas," whereby public security officials from one province or city cross into another to pursue “major cases” (with lucrative outcomes) with no clear jurisdictional authority or public safety imperative. They fine these women extraordinary amounts of money that then go into the pockets of corrupt officials. This is the exploitation of vulnerable groups of people and the authoritarian policing of morality. These women, for publishing mostly unprofitable queer stories, are having their futures DESTROYED and their images decimated. There is a very big community and reputation-centered value system in Chinese culture. Now. Imagine. Even after being released, who is to say these women will have a job or family to go back to?

Obviously, we should care. On a base level because of brutal censorship, but also because most of us are avid consumers of BL. We are part of the same ecosystem these authors are being punished for.

The Chinese state is criminalizing artistic expression because it dares to imagine something freer than the current order. And let’s be honest: this isn’t just happening in China. Across the world, we are watching governments police books, criminalize drag, erase trans people, censor art, and surveil fandom spaces under the guise of “morality.” Queer stories have always been political. So has fanfiction. What we’re witnessing is a war on imagination, especially when that imagination belongs to marginalized people.

And where is the Western media? Failing us. Articles from BBC and the New York Times treat danmei like a strange niche, or worse, frame BL as “problematic,” “pornographic,” or “exploitative." These narratives distract from the real issue: state violence against creators. Instead of standing up for freedom of expression, they’ve defaulted to tone-deaf cultural judgment.

What do we do? I'll be honest, even I'm not sure. I'm scrambling for resources. In China, online efforts at protesting are being erased and censored, as well as legal advice provided on social networking sites. Here are some ways I've thought of that might help.
- Spread awareness. If you have a platform, if you don't have a platform, say something. Let more people know about this. On Tiktok, Instagram, Bluesky, etc etc.
- Groups like PEN America and Chinese Human Rights Defenders are tracking these cases. Support them, donate, or help amplify their work.
- If you know danmei authors writing online today—especially in or near China—check in with them. A lot of lawyers in China are offering pro bono to these women. If you know any of them, offer money, legal assistance if you're qualified.

If I'm missing anything or said anything incorrect, please correct me. But this matters. Artistic liberty and freedom is under attack. Don't look away.

i dont know if im just being paranoid, but i think things will get a lot worse for the community before they get better, if at all. huge sites getting taken down is not new, and i've witnessed the rise and fall of the greats. there's always been growth and recovery and the community has always persisted and expanded. however, with the takedown of bato and dozens of other sites, there's something distinctly different and ominous. all in all, the manga/manhwa/manhua and webnovel scene has greatly shifted. technically, they're more known, but it feels like the community and the charm of it have shriveled and shrunken in a way that i've never seen before. and i've been around for a while. something predatory is going on. people always shit on newgens, but the entitlement is crazy. the paywalling of illegally translated webnovels plugged into chatgpt is crazy. the lack of respect for the rules that have governed and self-sustained this system is crazy. bato is newer and i personally didn't use it much, but i have to admit it was one of the bests i've seen. i think we're in a really dangerous situation. there's more to it, but intuition wise, i feel it. idk. there's always change, but its like our worlds have been hollowed out, and we're made to examine the pretty exterior even though there's only residual rot left inside. in general, all literature is under attack. there's so much to these mediums of beautiful art, that have been twisted into mass produced moneymaking slop. the audience dictates what gets put out more and more, and that audience is turning out to be...quite illiterate, ironically. i mean this has mostly always been the case, but god its never been this bad. pirating is more accessible than it ever was before, but also these companies (cough cough, Kakao) are making sm more than they ever had also (while still underpaying their artists) in part due to piracy, which brings in revenue at the end road. but they're still so greedy, and people online are miserable and want to ruin things for everyone. capitalism, this that and everything. there's more to that argument actually that i could talk about for hours, but i'll just leave it at my emotional frantics.

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not to beat a dead horse but i want to clarify some things i made in a recent post. i have received some criticisms/pushbacks for my points, and out of all of them i find only a couple that hold merit:
1. sexual violence in media and bank robberies/serial killers are not an equivalent/valid comparison
i agree with this criticism wholeheartedly and redact that statement. however, i will say that this person also brought up the tangible harm of pornography, to which i will say has more to do with the trafficking and exploitation/abuse of real-life women and girls and plays a larger role in condoning violence towards women. smut in bl does not hold even a thimble of the gravity or violence that exists in the porn you'd find on p*rnhub for example. that said, i don't dismiss the legitimate concern about the frequent normalization of assault and dubcon in yaoi, but this requires a more critical analysis than simply labeling consumers as people who "fetishize gay men being assaulted"
2. consuming yaoi is problematic also because of the racial aspect/fetishization of east asian men.
- i did not consider the racial aspect in my argument, as an asian woman, i think it holds SOME merit. however, the fetishization of east asian men isn't a phenomenon created or primarily perpetuated by bl, but one that has colonial and political roots of western interaction with asia. today, it's more strongly tied to other cultural exports like kpop, dramas, etc rather than yaoi. while bl can be a part of this ecosystem, the primary and most potent critique of yaoi has always been abt its relationship to queer representation, so my focus will remain on that

i don't think people are understanding that when i say the creation and consumption of BL can be empowering for women, i don't mean that it is immune from criticism. they aren't mutually exclusive!
what i find interesting is that no one addressed my point that since queer relationships exist as taboos and on the margins of society, it's natural that queer stories explore transgressive/taboo themes.
also, it's strange that people assume everyone who consumes yaoi is a straight woman. i wonder if you guys have actually interacted irl with people who consume yaoi. i know i have (i myself am a lesbian), and the majority of them have been queer men and women. and even if most consumers are straight women, so what? yaoi depicts an angle to relationships on women's own terms, separating them from the violence they are typically subjected to both irl and in media. also, yaoi CANNOT be heteronormative! heternormative is an academic term! it describes a worldview promoting heterosexuality as the default, normal, and perferred sexual orientation. yaoi cannot be heternormative unless it ironically conveys the message that queerness is bad, abnormal, and that heterosexual relationships are absolutely the way to go. yaoi is the antithesis of that lmfao it centers queer male relationships as the object of narrative desire and emotional investment.
tldr; bl/consumption of bl does not exist in a vacuum, but has grown out of repressive societies that marginalize and shame queerness and female sexuality and desire, and condone violence towards women. there is an ASPECT to bl which points to women exploring certain dynamics or sensuality that isn't rooted in a violence they are very much in danger of in their everyday lives. there's also a reason why queer media in the west is very different than it is in asia lmfao. consider the cultural and historical roots of how media develops and grows. again, this is to add NUANCE to the bl discussion, not to invalidate any criticism of it.
i won't apologize for this post or discussion. read if you want, don't read if you don't want to. but i believe everyone is capable of critical thinking and i don't think this platform of users is above or below this type of discussion. so please be respectful, considerate, and thoughtful if you choose to respond. i might be speaking into a void but...well. this is my niche lmao. and yes, it IS that deep!

anyone here get severely weirded out when like the stories on this site feature a romance where this older more dominant man is like creepily lusting after some twink they think is a minor bc they "can't help it he's so pretty" but like they don't act on it bc obviously despite their internal horniness they're the paragon of virtue since the twink isn't legal. only to find out that the twink is actually legal or barely legal, but yay, because omg so pretty he looks like a kid lets fuck rnnnn despite the fact that the buff creepy dude is like. thirty.