2nd story pisses me off

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I know what u mean, but isn't the first story much worse? The uke is clearly blackmailing the manager! And I don't see any love at all coming from the uke.
Well, it's not like I like cheating story either...

Well both stories have us question the moral integrity of the characters, but the first one is not as bad as the second. Uke-kun in the first story seems to genuinely like the seme despite the fact that one wrong step and he could kill him. He seems to just be messing with the manager not really serious (no money or favors have changed hands). But both stories are pretty unique and they explore some questionable kink themes.

Also I have to add that in the second story the uke (Agatha) seems to play off as being a victim of love to the main guy. This is what I really don't like because he has no one but himself to blame for making the choice to continue a sexual relationship with the glasses guy whilst knowing that he is married.

Wholeheartedly agree. You want to tell characters like this to quit their wallowing, don't allow yourself to be used as a plaything for some asshole, and move on. Sad thing is, the married guy has a thing for other men, so if Ageha left him and feelings aside, he might even find another young man to replace him.

Yes, sadly in most cases, scumbags like the cheating married guy always continue cheating and not just with one person. I really feel sorry for cheating megan's wife and child. And I fully agree that Agatha should have more self-respect not to be used as a convenient sexual outlet and just move on.

I think cheating is worse than non-econometric blackmail too, especially if I am reading romance or erotica. I think the married person is worse, because he made vows and it's his responsibility to protect his marriage, but I agree the person who makes bad choices should stop thinking of himself as a victim and start thinking of what changes he should make. I mean, it is the cheater's fault, but the person agreeing to be used needs to wake up too.

Agreed.

I can kind of (?) see it from ageha's point of view too though, he just wants to be with the person he loves, even if it means he has to share him right? I'm not justifying anything, breaking up a marriage is ridiculous, but at the same time if the husband is willing to cheat on the wife then he's not that invested in the first place and if the two of them want to be together then maybe he should just get a divorce? The mother and father don't have to be together to raise a child, i was raised by my mother just fine and my father kept in contact with me.

Yes, I do get Ageha's perspective in all this, but that does not mean that it's not wrong or I won't be criticizing. I do admire you for not trying to justify him playing a part in breaking up a marriage.

See it this way; many people harbour love for others but sometimes it just leads to unrequited feelings. Cheating is cheating, I understand that he loves him but they are both being selfish and self-centred by doing something they know is wrong and will hurt others.

Yes if they were serious about their relationship they could have done things differently, but it appears that Ageha is the only one of the two who is serious the cheating husband seems like he is only after a casual fwb relationship with Ageha.

You're right, which is why i feel like we should be putting our focus on the husband and not ageha. It just doesn't make sense to me to say ageha's doing it to himself and act like he deserves it just because he stays in the situation, my reason for believing this is that he just genuinely loves the husband and has even known him longer than the wife so i feel as though he is a victim in all this.

I guess my point is that all Ageha's doing is loving a guy and choosing to have a sexual relationship with him, he has no ill intentions and he states he has no hopes for their relationship and doesn't really seem to want to garner any sympathy either so i don't understand why you seem to want to criticize the victim as apposed to the one cheating on his wife with, what seems to be, nothing but lust on his mind. Though it is still too soon to see if the husband is in love or not as we've seen nothing of his point of view, just some very short instances that make him look like an asshole. Of course, i'm assuming they won't end up together and that the husband's best man is actually the endgame here, but it is still noteworthy that we've not really gotten any information on the husband as of yet. For all we know he was dating Ageha first and decided to get married after, which would put the wife "in the wrong" (not really, as just like Ageha she'd just be choosing to be with the man she loves.)

I made it clear in all my responses that both the husband and Ageha are to blame equally.
Cheating is cheating, I can't stress this enough, and Ageha is no victim in this situation unless it's a victim of selfish decisions.

If you read some of the comments above you, you would see that I agree that the husband is at fault for not respecting his vows. But Ageha is also at fault for knowing this and still going ahead with their relationship.

The manga never states that they were in a serious relationship for the 5 years they have known each other and the main guy is the best friend of the husband so should he not have hung out with or met or even known about Ageha? If someone is serious about having a relationship with a person they would introduce their friends to them, and they would not have a relationship and marry another.

So, in essence, you just can't state that Ageha is a victim when he is also to blame. Just because he is in love with the husband does not give him the right to have a sexual rel.ationship with him. And yes that is what it is, not a serious relationship but one purely based on sex. Ageha is in love with the husband but the way the husband treats him is just like a convenient sexual outlet.

Most of what you are saying is based on assumption and not facts, my opinions are fact based on events in the manga. But if you want to believe in your own theories that's fine maybe you need that. I am not here to argue with you or try to change your opinions on things, I get that you are an individual and have your own views on this matter.

I wouldn't say your opinions are based on events in the manga as you've yet to bring forth any instances within the manga, your opinions are just that, opinions just as mine are. I'd like to point out that i've made no "assumptions" so far as all i've said is that we don't really know enough yet to decide anything, how can you criticize Ageha without knowing the full situation? I'll quote myself: "For all we know he was dating Ageha first and decided to get married after, which would put the wife "in the wrong" (not really, as just like Ageha she'd just be choosing to be with the man she loves.)" my entire point here is that we DON'T know the whole story. It doesn't make sense for you to say that your opinions are based on fact when we know nothing about the husband and you haven't really referenced any in manga scenes. You're just stating what you got while reading the manga, what interpretation you acknowledged and i'm just stating that you might keep a more open mind in regards to Ageha, you seem to demonize his decisions when he has no ill intentions shown thus far. I actually did read through all the comments before my initial response to you, i was responding to one of your earlier responses where you state "(Agatha) seems to play off as being a victim of love to the main guy. This is what I really don't like because he has no one but himself to blame for making the choice to continue a sexual relationship with the glasses guy whilst knowing that he is married.", which i didn't really feel was fair towards Ageha as he doesn't really play the victim at any point in the manga, i'm assuming the scene you're thinking of is when he says he "expects nothing from this relationship"? That is the only scene where i can even slightly understand why you'd think Ageha's character is trying to pull sympathy, but even during that scene he more of seems to depend on his own strength and keep quiet about his feelings? You said that Ageha seems to play off being a victim of love, this is what i'm responding to. You say that i'm making assumptions, but you're doing the same thing here assuming that Ageha views himself as a victim despite there being no in manga instances that can prove so.

"So, in essence, you just can't state that Ageha is a victim when he is also to blame." I thought i made it abundantly clear that Ageha is to blame as well as the husband, my point was that you're being harsh on Ageha specifically, you hardly mention the husband in any of your responses and if you read through them again you'll notice that you have done nothing other than criticize Ageha without taking his own situation into account. I'm saying that he is BOTH to blame AND a victim. Ageha IS a victim of love, he's in love with someone who we've only seen to want to have a sexual relationship with him and who is married; Ageha is hurting because of the relationship he's in and despite that he continues to proceed with it out of love. Ageha is a victim AND he chooses to stay a victim, just because he chooses to stay a victim doesn't make his pain any less real.

Victims of love have no one but themselves to blame for the decisions they make. You seem pretty emotional, and I am trying to be courteous here whilst you bite my head off trying to force your opinions on me.

According to this meaning of "victim of love"

http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/victim%20of%20love

Ageha can't even be called a victim of love as he knew full well what he was doing.
All the emotional pain he suffers is partially of his own making.

Whilst I may be overly harsh with stating my opinions on the matter they are in nowhere wrong.

And as I have stated previously yes I do take into consideration Ageha's circumstances and the circumstances of the husband.

If this discussion is just going to be you insulting me for stating my opinions (repeatedly)
then I suggest you find another site to do that in because mangago is a site where people can state their opinions, I have stated before that I do respect and value your opinion even if it differs from my own. Can you not do the same?

If I were Ageha, I would completely dump douchebag.
Damn Douchebag(married man)! (︶︿︶)＝凸. How dare he say like that he loves his wife and his baby while he is having sex with Ageha arrghh [ this is for douchebag ]

I agree you , Cheating is CHEATING! (〜￣△￣)〜

I agree you alot. Second story is not my cup of tea (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ as well as first story.
[Ageha's brain is in his ass not in his skull ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ , he is an idiot ]

Overall idea is I agree your comments. *applause*
Three dislikes or one comment are super idiots or they are maybe kids around 8 yrs old lol.

*face palm* are you kid or something?
I never agree your comment.
You know Cheating is cheating... Cheating is not a love... you have to find the meaning of Cheating is from the google. it means cheating okay?

Ageha is an idiot and also married man is a douchebag.
He should give up this asshole.! (╬￣皿￣).

Btw Don't insult the comment please ... Your talking is wrong way. (〜￣△￣)〜

Can't agree more. Thank you for pointing it out so clearly. *thumb up*