das a whole lotta guesswork and jistification though,,, and whether or not it was due to his internalized homophobia, it still doesnt make it ok :(( kinda sounds like corective rape (but in reverse i guess since it's gay) in your explanation which isnt fun. i think power dynamics and bdsm-like play should be thoroughly discussed and even if ppl do not view this as rape its still not safe sex and is romanticizing non consensual touching which is not good. bdsm practitioners are very strict abt being safe, sane, and consenual, which this is not.
there isnt a fine line to rape and this is definitely rape. brown hair has not one said he wanted to go through with it but has, fought for blondie to stop, and showed hesitation. just bc there wasnt a direct no, doesn't mean it was a yes
Whether it’s cause of his internalized homophobia or not, never did he explicitly say yes this chapter. His confusion with his sexuality doesn’t mean the blond dude was allowed to coerce and force him into sexual acts.
if he says no, it’s a no. just because you know he is not honest about his feelings you can’t just go and force him to do something. if he chooses to be dishonest, that’s still a choice and the other guy has to respect it
That’s a fair point, I can agree with that.
Definitely, I agree. Martin (I believe his name is) should respect whether the other party wants to stop because consent can be withdrawn anytime during sex.
Andy’s character is so confusing to me though. I feel like he was going in between wanting it and not wanting it, a lot through the chapters. It’s almost as though he was having an internal battle then and there; one side is him saying he hates it whilst the other side wants it.
I agree, to be honest I actually hate Rape themes in manga which is why I’m surprised myself that I didn’t call it Rape.
It is a lot of guesswork because I can’t get inside Andy’s head to see what he’s actually thinking. All I can do is gather all the information presented thus far to try and figure out what he’s feeling. I don’t justify the way he was handled in these two most recent chapters, especially when he was told that Martin would be more gentle. Like I said there were times when he tried to fight Martin off but then stops, which is why I think he’s having an internal battle with himself. I just feel like Andy isn’t being one hundred percent honest when it comes to the way he feels about his sexuality and even men, sex however shouldn’t be the way he comes to terms with it.
Oh don’t get me wrong I’m not romanticising this situation whatsoever and if Andy was to fall for Martin, I’d be disappointed because almost all manga have that unrealistic trope where one party falls for the other party that has been abusive/cruel etc. In a perfect world Andy would come to terms with the way he feels about men and find love with someone that generally cares for him but unfortunately this is a manga/manhua and I have a feeling it’s definitely not going to go that way.
I agree, I reread it and he doesn’t say the words yes only “If you’re gonna do it, at least be gentle!!!”. That statement alone can count as both consent and no consent, I think it’s down to how the individual interprets it.
ikr Andy is acting like a child. I know that he is like that bc he is the so called “bratty tsundere uke” but still it’s kinda annoying
Really annoying lmao
I don’t think this gives off rapey vibes but there’s a really fine line. I feel like we’ve got to remember that Andy was extremely homophobic in the previous chapters and him saying that another mans dick is nasty and making snide remarks is due to that internalised homophobia.
He’s confused about his sexuality and went to the apartment with the intention of going the whole way. As we saw in this chapter he’s a pervert, he gets off on being dominated. The only time he really wanted to stop was because he thought they were going to get caught (he actually tried to fight Martin off) but once the coast was clear, he didn’t try to push him off again. There was a moment during the blow job scene where he scratched Martin but again he stopped after that so it’s a little confusing. I think he’s just confused and unsure.