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I'm just curious why you don't have the same energy for Elena.

You think the Crown Prince is wrong for lying to her about being in love with her to save HER life.
But you think Elena is right for lying to the Crown Prince about everything, including the murder of his first wife, and going along with the Duke's scheme for her to marry him, just to save her own life?

Imo they're both victims of outside political power hungry monsters, and they both just did what they could to stay alive and keep the people they love alive.

Commented that on a previous comment on yours seems liek your a real crown prince stan huh. Are you even reading my responses cuz I clearly explained how she was kidnapped and threatened to stay in her position byt he dukes family.

They said they would send her parents to a murder island if she acted out imagine what would happen the them if she left. She only went to the dukes familiy initially because they said they would pay for her to attend a ball (as herself not veronica yet) to find a good husband.

Please do read my prior comments to yours before you repeat yourself. It makes it seem like you dont even care what the other person is saying your just repeating the same points over and over with no room for critical thinking.

And hey you can like the crown prince and still be critical of him, no need to slander elena for being held hostage tho like youve done several times now.

I haven't read the novel yet but if someone dislike the prince isn't it just their opinion? We've seen the mc is literally so traumatized that she fainted and we seen her perspective we haven't really seen the crown prince perspective yet and wasn't she a victim of the duke its not like she had a choice but I think the prince had some choices about things

Also heads up I dont think he told her that he loved her cause she was under the impression he didnt. Her trauma doesnt disappear because oh he secretely love her. He isnulted her after childbirth, he insulted his child. He absolutley humiliated her and you think thats ok because he loved her and it was part of a plan. How hard would it have been to let her know that 'oh yeah elena im going to riun your selfesteem cause you months of trauma but dont worry i still love you'.

Agree so many stories where their trauma just disappear but I really like this one cause it really shows how connected she was with her child and betrayed she felt from the prince.

No you're the one who doesn't get it. You're willing to excuse her harmful actions of Elena by blaming the duke, but won't do the same for the prince, when NEITHER of them would have done what they did if the duke didn't pose a threat to them and their loved ones. They're both in the same boat.

I'm not saying she wasn't a victim of the duke, I'm saying so was the Prince. That's the whole point. I think he had as many choices as she did. They both just wanted to save themselves and their loved ones, and I think it's a gross mistake to start blindly hating the prince when he's obviously the ML.

i agree with you and can you please give me the novel link, ty <3

Sorry tbh i got confused about your point. Im guessing your point is that since im blaming the prince fore being mewn to her even though he loves her due to to external forces I shoudl blame her for pretneding to be veronica and tricking the pricne.

But from my perspective the prince knows the duke isnt good. And if as you say the prince is also being forced by the duke then he knows the duke has power. It was also mentioned that when he falls in love with elena he beings to think that he isnt veronica but someone else. So now we have two points . 1. Prince knows duke is bad but has lots of power and influence 2. Prince knows elena isnt veronica.

Do you really think he cant put two and two together. To get that duke is forcing elena. Also even if he didnt know elena isnt veronica, then he thinks that he is in love with veronica and is being hurtful to his wife.

Also in the manga and novel it is shown that she is traumatised, she feels nauseous by him and has constant flashbakcs to her truama cause by him. From what I heard he doesnt get that same level of feeling by realising elena isnt veronica. So thus you cant justify the trauma he has cause by saying they were both hurt. And you also cant compare the pain one lerson cause by BEING KIDNAPPED to pain caused by a conscience plan he chose to make.

And yes they may be in the same boat but again THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRETENDING TO NOT LIKE SOMEONE AND ACTIVELY HURTING THEM HE COULD HAVE JUST ACTED LIKE A CIVIL PERSON INSTEAD OF INSULTING HER. Or he could have told her.

Hey as far as I know the novel hasnt been translated into english but here is the link for the spoilers of people who have read it.

https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/shadow-queen-manhwa.106459/

Also apparantly you can read the first 10 chapters here but IDK. https://www.novelupdates.com/series/shadow-queen/ but you need a word press account from what I saw online.

Fam you know that last part reminded me of how Elena died with her child being taken away... Like did he even notice she disappeared and was a different person or..

Yes that's my point, sorry if I didn't make that clear. I don't blame Elena bc I know she was threatened into doing the things she did, but I also don't blame the Prince bc it sounds like he was threatened and scared for her life too.

And I know that she was and still is hurt by what he did, and I feel for her for that, but he was willing to lose her love just to keep her safe and I personally just find that noble and selfless.
Whether he had other options and whether that decision was stupid/unnecessary remains to be seen. I'm personally most interested in learning about that mysterious past right now.

It still doesn't change the fact she lied to him though.

Do I have memory loss or something coz in her first lifetime she didn't know her parents were held hostage. Coz they didn't do that, they just killed them after she left her house. Still, she didn't tell the Prince about what's going on even in the very end.

does the crown prince ever really treat her wrong? besides idk neglecting her as a husband?

Idk but I would hate being constantly insulted but that might be just me.

uh this is a genuine question not a sarcastic one lol chill. did he constantly insult/emotionally abusive towards her?

Thinking back they might not have threatened the parents but as we saw in the first life they woudl have if they wanted. In the 1st chapter she said that the duke said smth like giving her a debutant ball became a debt her parents would have to pay off. And their buisness had failed prior. Also i wouldnt be honest about having been kidnapped under false pretenses and made to marry him, if my husband was as mean as the crown pricne was. Like if he was kind and was caring then yes she would absolutley be at fault but having been put in this situation I just dont see how the level of pain they both cause is equal. Like sure she lied after being threatened and kidnapped and then abused by her tutor, but he emotioanlly abused her and neglected her when he could have just been civil and cold to her.

Im not saying he was in the wrong for pretending to not like her but instead for being so hurtful and mean about it. Plently of arranged marriages have participants who dont like each other but they also dont emotionally abuse their partner at the same time while loving them. There was a neutral option that he did not take. That is what Im faulting him for.

Well we see in chapter 39 and the second or first chapter that he insults her quite a lot. Its also mentioned in the comments that he had to neglect her and her child. So yeah also after child birth he says that this was a mistake. He means that he shouldnt have been so mean or something, but he doesnt clarify himself and he really ends up hurting the FL.

Sorry I got a bit aggressive I just really hate people thinking abuse is only really physical and that emotional abuse cant be jsut as bad. ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ Also we see her feel faint and begin to have a panic attack when she sees him so obviously those comments really affected her.