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My thoughts

Shopliftee February 23, 2021 8:25 am

When I was in school, I did a case study on gender dysphoria (cuz its no longer in the list of disorder in the field).
My conclusion from it was that SOCIETY SUCKS SHIT.
The more I read and learnt about the symptoms and causes of people who have this, the more I got confused actually.
Its starts from a young age around 5-8, when you see what they like to wear, who they want to play with, how they behave. But how does this behavior decide whether you think you are a man or a woman?
What is male and female and how is it decided at birth? By your reproductive parts. Do you have a dick or a vagina. That's it. One person can give sperm and the other can reproduce. That's the only definitive difference between the terms male and female. Even voice, height, body structure may differ. But the problem is people, who created more and more detailed differences. Such as how you should appear in public, how you should behave, what you should think about, what are you allowed to dream about, what are you allowed to do, what can you say. Everything.
Due to this categorization of male and female behaviour, people feel restricted in acting and behaving in a certain manner. They think that if they were of the opposite gender then maybe they could be who they truly are.

My thought is that gender dysphoria is not really about the body type but the roles and rules given based on the sex of the body that kids are brought up with. And that people think that by changing their sex they can act freely without judgement in society. Society is the cause of this.

Responses
    Eduardo24 February 23, 2021 11:37 am

    That was intriguing to read about

    snow February 23, 2021 12:05 pm

    Ok I'm not trying to be rude or anything but as a person who suffering from gender dysphoria that take is off. You're saying ppl wanna change their gender cause they don't wanna follow how society thinks they should, right? But I couldn't give a f*ck bout society. I don't go out, and I don't talk to ppl, yet I /still/ feel really uncomfortable in my own body. It's a mental and physical pain for me to know that I am in a body that isn't my gender. I could be on a deserted island and still not want to be the sex I was assigned at birth. There are trans ppl that grew up not being expected to act their assigned birth, yet they still experience gender dysphoria cause they don't feel comfortable in their own skin, cause they know they aren't that gender. Sure, society does play some part in it (which is called social gender dysphoria), but it's not the whole thing. Trans ppl who have transitioned already and are persieved as their gender can still experience gender dysphoria (though, less so than when they didn't transition at all), because they know they aren't original that sex.

    Shopliftee February 23, 2021 1:11 pm
    Ok I'm not trying to be rude or anything but as a person who suffering from gender dysphoria that take is off. You're saying ppl wanna change their gender cause they don't wanna follow how society thinks they s... snow

    Like I mentioned above, I did a case study in school quite a while back and these are just my thoughts, my recollection from when I had done it. As I don't have gender dysphoria obviously I wouldn't know what it feels like exactly. None of what I said is meant to hurt or disregard people suffering with it, so please don't take it to heart if I'm wrong.

    Actually my thought was that, for ex, can a guy with a female body suffer from gender dysphoria without even knowing the meaning of their body parts or the knowledge of the difference from a guys body.
    Is it just about feeling uncomfortable with your body as a whole or just the gender.
    If that guy was unaware of the existence of men, would he feel uncomfortable without knowing why or would he not suffer?
    My question is if someone suffering feels uncomfortable in their body, how do they know that if they are the opposite gender, then they would be comfortable and that they are in the wrong body?
    Can being uncomfortable in your skin be the only factor for one's gender dysphoria?

    I'm not knowledgeable in this topic, so I'd like it if you could tell me.

    TuxedoCat February 23, 2021 6:24 pm

    I understand what you're getting at, and there absolutely is a societal aspect to being trans (hence why social dysphoria exists), but there's also an innate aspect. For instance, a lot of trans men get phantom limb syndrome for a penis. Physical dysphoria can be worsen by society but it is in many ways innate. There's evidence to suggest a people across time and societies have had gender dysphoria, not to mention the number of societies that have gender categories for trans people/ weren't binary gender systems.
    If you're interested in this topic, I think it'd be best to speak with and read works by trans people, because a lot of the literature about them is questionable at best and widely misleading at worse. I'm also guessing what you read was a bit outdated, given that Gender Identity Disorder was replaced with gender dysphoria way back in 2013, and it's only pretty recently that trans issues have been talked about more openly, and better resources have been written.

    snow February 23, 2021 8:52 pm
    Like I mentioned above, I did a case study in school quite a while back and these are just my thoughts, my recollection from when I had done it. As I don't have gender dysphoria obviously I wouldn't know what i... Shopliftee

    Well, I don't speak for all trans ppl, but gender dysphoria is a big factor in knowing one is trans. You said, "can a guy with a female body suffer from gender dysphoria without even knowing the meaning of their body parts or the knowledge of the difference from a guys body.", And I say yes they can suffer from gender dysphoria (imma just say GD for it from now on) without knowing the meaning of their body parts. Like, little kids have been shown to show that they suffer from GD, and I'm pretty sure they don't know all the differences from their body to that of the opposite sex. It is shown through research that ppl with GD actually have brains that are closer to that of the gender they are. Like a trans male will have a brain that is closer to that of a cis male.
    "would he feel uncomfortable without knowing why or would he not suffer?" I would say he would still feel uncomf yet would not know the reason why. A lot of ppl who suffer from GD might not find out they are trans until later on in life, and that is for the simple fact that they didn't know /why/ they felt the way they felt, but they still suffer greatly from it. They will still feel the feeling of "something isn't right, why do I feel so wrong in this body", etc..
    "My question is if someone suffering feels uncomfortable in their body, how do they know that if they are the opposite gender, then they would be comfortable and that they are in the wrong body?
    Can being uncomfortable in your skin be the only factor for one's gender dysphoria?" Actually, as I said in the above paragraph some ppl don't even know they're trans even though they feel GD. There are like 60 year olds who are just finding out they're trans bc they finally found out about it from somewhere. For me, I found out during my freshman/sophomore year of college, yet I've always felt something was wrong with me. I've always felt more comfortable doing things that the gender I am do. Society does have some play in gd, for example trans ppl in the old days would do things that their gender would do back then. Like, for example, in some cultures a guy might wear a dress, right? Well a trans guy in that culture will feel comfortable wearing a dress. Meanwhile, a trans guy from a culture where guys don't wear dresses won't feel comfortable wearing a dress because he knows society won't see him as a man if he does wear that dress. Maybe he'll wear a dress after he transitions or finds a way to feel more comfortable in his own skin, but until he finds a way to feel comfortable he won't want to wear a dress bc of that society GD.
    When did you try to read up on GD or Trans ppl? If it was a long time ago maybe read up on it more, as there is way more things on it now days. Maybe read multiple articles from different perspectives, from trans ppl and from doctors that study it, etc.