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Just a question

shounendicc July 13, 2021 2:02 am

P.S. these are only my thoughts and I am in no way trying to fight/defend anyone because I myself am not sure where I stand in this debate

Isn't murder/stalking also illegal? If so, why can I only see people defending those characters who experience pedophilia and rape? Where is that energy of "it's disgusting and it's illegal, you're sick for liking this" when it comes to fictional books that heavily focus on topics like murder? Because as far as I can see, I only see people "praising" such serial killers/psychotic characters. I'm not trying to fight, I'm really just wondering. I myself do not support the act of rape, pedophilia, murder, etc. I read these types of things because I like reading books/novels/illustrations that dwell on dark concepts. Concepts that are typically not accepted in the world and are considered immoral. However, that does not mean that I support the act in itself.

Would love to hear your thoughts regarding this. But let me reiterate that I am in no way trying to start conflict of any sort. I just wanna have a civil talk with anyone who might be interested in replying :>

Responses
    onie July 14, 2021 10:14 pm
    lol okay, im muting this convo. yall are weird skelebird

    rnt u the one who’s weird for supporting pedophilia? disgusted

    honeycrickete July 15, 2021 1:35 am
    people also die everyday, and serial killers like ted bundy are romanticised. look at the number of movies that have come out about him and he even has a Fanclub. dir you don’t go around calling people who ar... skelebird

    agreeing with you, i'm an actual survivor of sexual exploitation when i was 11, and it pains me to see people acting like this when they could be dealing with helping actual survivors. it's helping nobody to act 'nobler than thou' whilst ignoring actual people. (i recognize that although there is a possibility that some may actually donate to charities, it's highly improbable as they're spending their time getting into arguments in a comment section)

    onie July 15, 2021 1:56 am
    agreeing with you, i'm an actual survivor of sexual exploitation when i was 11, and it pains me to see people acting like this when they could be dealing with helping actual survivors. it's helping nobody to ac... honeycrickete

    i’m not invalidating your feelings towards the victims, and what i’m going to say doesn’t mean that you deserve what happened to u when u was 11 years old, no one deserves tht. but you are tolerating pedophilia in fiction world. pedophilia is pedophilia. if you actually care about the victims, then why defend pedos? right?
    tolerating pedophila ≠ caring ab the victims.

    it’s not arguing, it’s educating that is becoming a slander. why would it become a slander? if a person gets educated, that’s that. but if they’re not willing to get educated, they’re going to defend themselves or even give their whole mindset as a comeback but their mindset is toxic so it’ll offend many people. so people will go hate you bc they know that you’ll never listen bc ull stick to your mindset (we call it mindset for a reason).

    imagine, u want to defend pedophilia victims by joining charity or making people join charity. defend pedophilia victims by giving them justice because they don’t deserve it, meanwhile you enjoy (or defend people) reading an adult having sexual relationship w a minor that’s equal to pedophila. isn’t that pathetic? isn’t that disgusting? you’re defending pede philip victims while on the other side, you’re romanticizing or even sexualizing them bc you enjoy or let people enjoy read this kind of things.

    the hypocrisy.

    luka July 15, 2021 4:18 am
    i’ve read the replies regarding your first reply in this comment and damn you can never win. many pedos are gathering up, how can you? they can never make sense when it comes to arguing. your point is so clea... onie

    THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING! it’s honestly sad how they’re sitting on their asses replying to this thread to make excuses for their pedophilic behavior, i’ve been done w/ this thread! everyone replying is fucked in the head and they can’t grasp the fact that this just isn’t right fictional or not! how could you write and illustrate this thinking it was OKAY? like ??

    luka July 15, 2021 4:22 am
    lol okay, im muting this convo. yall are weird skelebird

    so we’re weird for not letting people read blatant child porn? okay miss smart

    onie July 15, 2021 7:26 am
    THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING! it’s honestly sad how they’re sitting on their asses replying to this thread to make excuses for their pedophilic behavior, i’ve been done w/ this thread! everyone replying is... luka

    exactly. they’re telling people to care ab real life victims and join charity when they’re here defending pedos or themselves for reading this shitty manga. how low can they be? they’re not making any sense even if they explain everything to you bc overall their point is “it’s just fiction” when the fiction they’re talking ab is literally ab an adult having sexual relationship w a minor. these people need help.

    skelebird July 17, 2021 11:18 pm
    agreeing with you, i'm an actual survivor of sexual exploitation when i was 11, and it pains me to see people acting like this when they could be dealing with helping actual survivors. it's helping nobody to ac... honeycrickete

    hey, i’m only replying bc i saw your message. i’m a csa survivor too which is why i feel so strongly about this. they only care about predators when it’s yaoi related and cause more harm than good over thoughtcrimes. idk i feel like they don’t have nuanced takes on what actually helps survivors vs attacking people to feel better about their performative activism. like it’s disappointing how much energy they put into this when they could be helping real people. hypocritical how they blast people over fiction but don’t give a second thought to how they bully and harass real people.

    these folk so easily point fingers without giving thought about the fact there is a real person behind the screen. like im kinda used to it now, but it does get jarring to be called pedo pedo pedo when i give my pov and considering my own experiences. they say it so freely but it cuts deeply bc these are thing that either we have experienced or have loved ones who have experienced it. just because it happens does not mean everything else in our lives comes to a halt. we are not a media portrayal of trauma

    but yeah, don’t let the bastards grind you down my friend. it is extremely online discourse after all, and these people aren’t in touch with reality

    skelebird July 17, 2021 11:24 pm
    i’m not invalidating your feelings towards the victims, and what i’m going to say doesn’t mean that you deserve what happened to u when u was 11 years old, no one deserves tht. but you are tolerating pedo... onie

    speaking over csa survivor is not exactly done in good faith is it? well done you absolute asshole

    for you to compare the works of fiction to something that affects people takes away from the people that need and deserve the help you so graciously say you give. you are a complete piece of shit to think you are helping anyone. if you had one ounce of empathy or sincere care for the people you think you are defending you would

    1. put trigger warnings on your fucking arguments.

    2. stop using the fucking p word every other fucking word because of how fucking ignorant it makes you sound you dumb fuck

    C) stop with the fucking with the bullshit of you are so "holier than thou” as if you have the right to lecture anyone, all “look at all these sinners to condemn" when slandering people over a fucking yaoi and somehow making it to be for some greater cause against pedophiles, whilst also claiming to speak for survivors, helping ‘victims’ yet speaking over them you patronising fuck

    skelebird July 17, 2021 11:29 pm
    exactly. they’re telling people to care ab real life victims and join charity when they’re here defending pedos or themselves for reading this shitty manga. how low can they be? they’re not making any sen... onie

    yeah well i pegged your dad

    skelebird July 17, 2021 11:39 pm
    so we’re weird for not letting people read blatant child porn? okay miss smart luka

    it is not child porn. yall really don’t know the difference anymore. there are no victims in fiction. THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE

    onie July 17, 2021 11:45 pm
    hey, i’m only replying bc i saw your message. i’m a csa survivor too which is why i feel so strongly about this. they only care about predators when it’s yaoi related and cause more harm than good over th... skelebird

    you’re a can survivor, i’m sorry and you don’t deserve that but that doesn’t mean u can use that as an excuse to get away and if you’re a csa survivor shouldnt u know better? i’m not trying to be the bad guy for saying this but you’re a csa survivor which means child sexual abuse (correct me if i’m wrong) and then you’re here defendinh people or you’re even the one who’s reading these kind of mangas where the uke literally looks like a child. it’s much more disappointing that you know how much you suffered and you know how much trauma had put into you since you’re a csa survivor, but then you sexualize them. make it make sense

    “they only care ab predators when it’s yaoi related” that’s bc you only read yaoi w children having sex in it, bc u think everything is ab u, and u only.

    “don’t let the bastards.. etc” says the one who replied my reply to that manga, where the uke looks like a child, talking ab the age is not confirmed. and they’re also here for defending people or themselves bc they really like seeing a child having sex w an adult bc yuji is minor even in manga, and obv gojo is an adult. you have no right to use your csa survivor card (again i’m not invalidating you, you don’t deserve that, no one does) when we’re literally talking ab how you cannot sexualize minors in any way, bc it’s illegal and it’s so fucking creepy esp when i hear the phrase “it’s just a fiction, learn how to separate fiction to reality” to a csa survivor who shoulve know better. this reply also goes to that other csa survivor in this comment section.

    onie July 17, 2021 11:48 pm
    it is not child porn. yall really don’t know the difference anymore. there are no victims in fiction. THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE skelebird

    it is child porn. “there are no victims in fiction” but there are victims in real life like you and the other csa survivor, that can trigger their trauma. shame on u if you use your csa survivor card just to say things or get away w things. it’s even shaming if it’s not true, but i believe you set aside what you just said ab fiction and reality even in pedophilia bc no one rlly deserve that.

    onie July 17, 2021 11:51 pm
    yeah well i pegged your dad skelebird

    r u that obsessed w pegging? lmao.
    how low can u get, you’re even including my dad. oh sorry, don’t u have a dad? trying to force yourself to other people’s father.. poor you. defending pedophiles are disgusting enough, have you reached the rock bottom? u can peg satan there, u guys r perfect for each other <33

    skelebird July 18, 2021 12:19 am
    you’re a can survivor, i’m sorry and you don’t deserve that but that doesn’t mean u can use that as an excuse to get away and if you’re a csa survivor shouldnt u know better? i’m not trying to be th... onie

    iM NoT iNvALiDaTiNg yOu

    proceeds to invalidate and refer to it as ‘a csa card’

    skelebird July 18, 2021 12:20 am
    it is child porn. “there are no victims in fiction” but there are victims in real life like you and the other csa survivor, that can trigger their trauma. shame on u if you use your csa survivor card just t... onie

    can you not tell the difference anymore, you really equate my trauma to yuuji in lingerie

    honeycrickete July 18, 2021 12:24 am

    lmfao this shit is wilding, im dipping i stopped reading every word of ya'lls stuff a while ago. prolly didnt even know i was gone tho. my final words of wisdom.
    donate to some charities and touch some grass
    peace ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    skelebird July 18, 2021 12:27 am
    r u that obsessed w pegging? lmao.how low can u get, you’re even including my dad. oh sorry, don’t u have a dad? trying to force yourself to other people’s father.. poor you. defending pedophiles are disg... onie

    you really can’t take what you dish out, sure i peg satan <3 if satan is your dad <3 my dad is a probably a pedo sooo

    you think me telling you i’ll peg your dad is equal to me actually forcing myself on him irl? honey, you sound like kaitlin bennet calling lil nas a pedo - we really recycling conservative points used against montero? i haven’t even come out as a queer yet. who’s really reaching? seeing a pattern here

    onie July 18, 2021 12:28 am
    iM NoT iNvALiDaTiNg yOu proceeds to invalidate and refer to it as ‘a csa card’ skelebird

    you do know that there’s diff right? you’re literally taking advantage of it, thinking that we’ll let u off. you’re using your “csa survivor card” bc that’s what you’re doing. what? do u want me to just say that we’re sorry and we shoulve listen to you bc you’re a csa survivor? fuck tf off. yes i’m sorry bc u don’t deserve that, no one does but i’m not sorry for calling you out or slandering u bc u literally sexualize yourself and other csa survivors thinking its okay bc YOURE CSA SURVIVOR. pathetic

    onie July 18, 2021 12:28 am
    can you not tell the difference anymore, you really equate my trauma to yuuji in lingerie skelebird

    see? u just proved my point. you’re literally taking advantage of it.

    skelebird July 18, 2021 12:30 am
    you do know that there’s diff right? you’re literally taking advantage of it, thinking that we’ll let u off. you’re using your “csa survivor card” bc that’s what you’re doing. what? do u want me... onie

    “pee pee poo poo i’m a little bitch who likes to invalidate csa survivors and call them pedos when they say their trauma is not comparable to a yaoi uwu i’m such a mf hero <3 <3 i’ve saved so many children from those nasties on mangago whilst slandering real victims uwu”