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He’s toxic but…

pagethirteen November 23, 2023 3:16 pm

Okay JK has done some questionable things like expose Dan to heesung without his consent and is generally rough and horribly rude but he also paid off all his debt and agreed to a 14k a month salary which I’m sorry but in this economic climate…as a PT with limited job experience ??? Senior doctors don’t even earn that in my country. Like if we think about it JK beat up his debt collectors, took care of his grandma and let him live in his fancy house. He also works for a world famous athlete. Dan has literally has nothing to worry about anymore. It’s easy to see why he became attached so quickly.
Even the smut scenes are quite tame compared to other yaoi
Is he kinda toxic and abusive? YES but honestly compared to a LOT of other yaoi out there (killing stalking, warehouse, sadistic beauty BL) this is quite tame

Responses
    shu November 23, 2023 3:17 pm

    They were published under psychological tag Is this the same?

    pagethirteen November 23, 2023 3:26 pm
    They were published under psychological tag Is this the same? shu

    It’s still yaoi and these toxic tropes are nothing new. Just confused about the outrage every chapter when there’s a lot worse out there even excluding the three I mentioned. Simply put I think it’s not that surprising Dan fell ‘in love’ with a super rich handsome guy who fixed all his problems lol.

    Priscilla November 23, 2023 3:48 pm
    It’s still yaoi and these toxic tropes are nothing new. Just confused about the outrage every chapter when there’s a lot worse out there even excluding the three I mentioned. Simply put I think it’s not t... pagethirteen

    Just because there are “ worse out there” doesn’t make the things that happen in this manhwa any better. I don’t know why people compare this to much better-written toxic BL and all of a sudden they think this manhwa doesn’t have fuckery in it. I get you can have a character do great things and be a trash compactor of a human being, but the other things he does are really unnecessary.

    pagethirteen November 23, 2023 6:52 pm
    Just because there are “ worse out there” doesn’t make the things that happen in this manhwa any better. I don’t know why people compare this to much better-written toxic BL and all of a sudden they thi... Priscilla

    I’m just comparing his level of toxic to other characters out there not the quality of the plot, (which we all know is basic af)
    I don’t think anyone is denying that JK has some serious issues but for me Dan liking him isn’t that crazy

    shu November 23, 2023 7:55 pm
    It’s still yaoi and these toxic tropes are nothing new. Just confused about the outrage every chapter when there’s a lot worse out there even excluding the three I mentioned. Simply put I think it’s not t... pagethirteen

    What examples you gave fell under the category of psychological drama. They're all well written. Even if any fuckery is involved in them it makes sense.
    But here it's not. Author making complete fool out of Dan in name of Love is hard to watch. Even though it's hard to say but author is milking out money from this garbage repetitive abusive Plot.
    They just need to put an additional tag then everything would be justified. We can also read it with peace of mind.
    Coz I don't see it as romance at all .

    pagethirteen November 23, 2023 11:26 pm
    What examples you gave fell under the category of psychological drama. They're all well written. Even if any fuckery is involved in them it makes sense.But here it's not. Author making complete fool out of Dan ... shu

    My point was that it’s not weird that Dan likes JK even if it’s not a healthy relationship. I didn’t comment on the quality of the plot I know it’s toxic and has all the cliche yaoi elements. I don’t think a psychological tag would make any difference. It was obvious what type of story this would be from chapter 1, if it bothers you then just stop reading.

    babiixxy November 23, 2023 11:39 pm

    you’re comparing a story that is supposed to be romantic with stories of psychological horror, it doesn't make sense. people complain after every chapter here not only about the toxicity of jaekyung but also because the plot is being done in a very careless way. KS and Warehouse at least were intelligent in narrative and plot, the heavy topics made sense and the sequence of events (even in the mcs bizarre relationships) was still consistent with the plot and followed a logic. in jinx, dan started liking jaekyung OUT OF NOWHERE. one chapter before showing feelings for the first time he still felt disgusted about having sex with jaekyung. the author introduced a sexual harassment event w dan at the beginning of the manhwa to the point where in dan’s first time with jaekyung he clearly linked jaekyung to his abuser, but now the trauma was simply forgotten and she never mentioned it again in the story, i mean???? it's not just toxic, it's poorly executed

    shu November 24, 2023 4:17 am
    you’re comparing a story that is supposed to be romantic with stories of psychological horror, it doesn't make sense. people complain after every chapter here not only about the toxicity of jaekyung but also ... babiixxy

    Second that. basically the crux

    shu November 24, 2023 4:21 am
    My point was that it’s not weird that Dan likes JK even if it’s not a healthy relationship. I didn’t comment on the quality of the plot I know it’s toxic and has all the cliche yaoi elements. I don’t ... pagethirteen

    No it doesn't bother me I'm saying it's hard to see a good art get wasted on this Shoujo Manga like Plot.
    Its was a rambling on my part.

    pagethirteen November 24, 2023 1:40 pm
    you’re comparing a story that is supposed to be romantic with stories of psychological horror, it doesn't make sense. people complain after every chapter here not only about the toxicity of jaekyung but also ... babiixxy

    I can see why you think the comparison is not fair but I’m not comparing the quality of plot i was just comparing the behaviours between the two characters. In all the stories I mentioned the abused fall in love with their abusers regardless of the psychological tag. I don’t think it’s strange Dan likes JK because he literally turned his life around. Again you might think the execution is poor (and I agree) but I also think it makes sense and isn’t that absurd. Jk has shown Dan kindness in a way none else has before, if it weren’t for him he would still be living in the slums and his grandma would be dead. Sex is not the only aspect to the relationship.

    babiixxy November 26, 2023 5:31 am
    I can see why you think the comparison is not fair but I’m not comparing the quality of plot i was just comparing the behaviours between the two characters. In all the stories I mentioned the abused fall in l... pagethirteen

    actually yes, it's the only aspect, because neither jaekyung's help regarding dan's grandmother nor the extremely high payment for dan's services was illustrated in the story as generously as you're making it seem. dan realizing his feelings for jaekyung happened LITERALLY in the midst of a sex scene where he somehow turned pain into pleasure in his own mind. after that, the other moment of emotional attachment he shows is AGAIN during sex, because of a nonsense pleasure he began to feel. the only time he mentions his feelings for jaekyung unrelated to this was in this last chapter, in that completely delulu situation lol
    jaekyung's help with dan’s grandmother was barely mentioned in a single chapter, the high payment he offers dan is always illustrated as a way for him to exert power over dan. none of these events were genuinely presented as a fair reason for dan to feel something for jaekyung, so that's why the poorly executed plot influences it. in the examples you mentioned, people didn't condemn the story as much for the abused person getting attached to their abuser because the plot conditioned the reader to understand the source of emotional dependence and the reason behind everything happening, but in jinx this is just unnatura

    babiixxy November 26, 2023 5:33 am
    actually yes, it's the only aspect, because neither jaekyung's help regarding dan's grandmother nor the extremely high payment for dan's services was illustrated in the story as generously as you're making it s... babiixxy

    unnatural*

    shu November 26, 2023 5:46 am
    actually yes, it's the only aspect, because neither jaekyung's help regarding dan's grandmother nor the extremely high payment for dan's services was illustrated in the story as generously as you're making it s... babiixxy

    You're right about Dan's feelings. They feel very hollow , baseless , ridiculous to me . I never understood just what made him fall in love with him .
    No money ofcourse otherwise we could have seen fangirling in first few chapters.
    His emotions were so abrupt and all over the place.

    Before mirror chapter and after mirror chapter we saw this huge difference , starting from liking physical pleasure to linking it to like , love (?) .

    It would have been justified if he saw some kinder side of Jk or something worth acknowledging but he didn't Jk is still crueler as he was in start. He learnt few new tricks ofcourse.
    But never once he lost himself like Dan in getting pleasure. All emotional actions can be seen from doctor's side only.

    Manhwaspicy November 26, 2023 9:00 am
    actually yes, it's the only aspect, because neither jaekyung's help regarding dan's grandmother nor the extremely high payment for dan's services was illustrated in the story as generously as you're making it s... babiixxy

    Well for me, the first time Dan caught feelings was the first time Jaekyung unexpectedly kissed him. Sex is not the only aspect in their relationship. I highly disagree with that point. What version of jinx are you reading? Even if he did a lot for Dan for his own good doesn't erase the fact that he has done a lot for Dan. Do you even know what that horse spent on Dan??? Bro…please don't even go there, please. It's sensible and realistic that Dan would fall him him. Does love need a reason to emerge? The way you're saying it happened out of nowhere is illogical because is that how things have always been in romance stories? Love needing a reason to emerge? Is that how it even works irl?

    shu November 26, 2023 9:44 am
    Well for me, the first time Dan caught feelings was the first time Jaekyung unexpectedly kissed him. Sex is not the only aspect in their relationship. I highly disagree with that point. What version of jinx are... Manhwaspicy

    We're reading same version of Jinx don't worry. First kiss was shock dude! First kiss first Love seriously? What Dan a teen girl?

    And who cares what amount he spent on Dan. He's enjoying his full worth. No charity he did here. Dan still need to pay back.
    But author not exploring this aspect anymore , it's like out of sight out of mind.
    How can he even talk on equal footing with Joo Jaekyung when there is still something not cleared between them?

    This love of his is uncanny. It came out of nowhere. I can't connect with him at all .
    Not all manhnwas are this random or unexpected just take a look at night song mahnwa their love journey is soo beautiful.

    For me love needs a reason. Am not a teen anymore who falls in love with anyone without rhyme or reason. Need to think about future dude , how can I give myself to anyone without considering any aspect?

    If Dan fell for that money thing , I feel so sorry for him. I'll be forever grateful to a person who helped me when I was in a tight situation. But to fall in love with them by default? I'll pass.

    Manhwaspicy November 26, 2023 10:20 am
    We're reading same version of Jinx don't worry. First kiss was shock dude! First kiss first Love seriously? What Dan a teen girl?And who cares what amount he spent on Dan. He's enjoying his full worth. No chari... shu

    Considering Dan’s character, it appears he has never been in a relationship. Try to understand his character a little more, having no one apart from his grandma, it seems he grew up in an environment where self-love didn't matter atp. He has been bullied, beaten, shown no care, harassed, duped. He has suffered a lot and Jaekyung finally shows up and clears his dept, kisses him out of their contract, visits his grandma(making her happy) clears grandma's fees, provides shelter and food, calls him one of his own(like family or someone close) and you don't expect feelings to evolve considering how handsome and hot Jae Kyung is? Yes, the abuse is still there but Dan had been aesthetically attracted to Jaekyung before the abuse. The feelings grew naturally. It wasn't out of character at all, very realistic if I must say. I've seen real cases like this too. It's like being in a toxic relationship where the partner doesn't treat them right but they can't help falling maybe because of something in the past or the reason of thinking they can change them. Feelings are something one cannot easily control especially when their partner isn't predictable. One moment he's angry and the next he's kind. Think about it. You and Dan are not the same. Dig into his personality and understand the situation. Love isn't all about reason.

    shu November 26, 2023 11:56 am

    Attraction is something involuntary it just happens. Most of the people get attracted to many people in life. But there's this boundary which shouldn't be crossed unless they want situation to turn on creepier side.
    Celebrities attraction or real life attraction if not handled carefully then , could result in Stans for celebs and in irl doing something which they shouldn't do & living in delusional realm which is what happening to Dan right now. He already started to think he has some chance , somehow he'll make it . Hoping for future. In this run twisting words and actions of his supposed lover to whatever suit his tastes.

    Just consider the one who took him out of his misery was a man in early 50s , rest same as Jk. Will Doctor still fall in love with this man ?
    If you say yes then definition of love for him is simple. Whoever rescues him will automatically become his god .

    If you say no then definition is convenience. Adding his past circumstances plus environment he's living right now made it convenient for him to fall in Love .
    Ironically Joo jaekyung ticked all his requirements.
    You can counter argue with Dan's past which you already did.

    But it's not going to change end result , Dan already crossed his comfort bubble treading towards a threshold which he shouldn't cross mindlessly , I can hear Jaekyung laughing scornfully at the other side.
    Maybe doctor should sit for few hours and contemplate the thing he's going after will be as sweet as he imagined or not.
    I tell you he's not that strong to that extreme form of rejection which he's going to get from fighter. Not good for his psyche.

    That was all . I'll still countinue to read this mahnwa as I already started.
    Also explained my current take on story so far. Peace

    Manhwaspicy November 26, 2023 3:04 pm
    Attraction is something involuntary it just happens. Most of the people get attracted to many people in life. But there's this boundary which shouldn't be crossed unless they want situation to turn on creepier ... shu

    I can't believe you used a 50-year-old man as a replacement. That's…I don't want to be rude.

    Jaekyung is hot, that's something you should highly consider. Dan is his physical therapist. Why would Dan fall for someone way older than him? Although it's possible but I doubt Dan would do that. He would literally see the 50-year-old as his dad who he cherishes so much for all the things he did. Are you saying the 50-year-old man is an MMA artist who abuses Dan? Bro I'm so confused…wt…

    I also don't think Dan is completely expecting anything from Jaekyung though. I feel he just wants to admit that he actually has feelings for this man. But anywho, let's read this to the end. I hope you finally understand why Dan would fall for Jaekyung. Go read up on aesthetic attraction, I think you'll understand it more.

    shu November 26, 2023 4:25 pm
    I can't believe you used a 50-year-old man as a replacement. That's…I don't want to be rude.Jaekyung is hot, that's something you should highly consider. Dan is his physical therapist. Why would Dan fall for ... Manhwaspicy

    No I think you didn't get where I was getting. Well no problem , still read it to the end.