Ikr ppl make Jaekyung look so bad tho he’s still a red flag but not too toxic
frrrrr.. I hate how they're treating him like he's the worst scum to ever exist when he's literally done so much for Dan and his grandma jesus.
It's really surprising how much hate he gets.. I really hope these people don't find stories with even worse toxic tops lmfoa
am i tweaking or is he not a rapist
He is by far not the worst! Asshole YES, but redeemable 100%!
He’s toxic like a lot of jocks are toxic… Especially when they are not held accountable. Have to check his ego.
absolutely! and people saying they don't see Jaekyung care for Dan just can't see that he notices all the things like him getting hurt and stuff but we don't really know what goes on in his head because this is mostly in Dan's pov lol. Its barely been 40+ chapters. Give him some time smh.
Right?!?!! Also the guys obviously emotionally stunted. Lol. Hoping drunk Jaekyung is a little looser.
he made it pretty clear that he's paying for the sex at any time he needs it and Dan agreed to it iirc.
frrrr..! Like if he was a green flag and wasn't so dumb with his emotions we wouldn't even have a story now.
Your opinion is only unpopular here. If you go to other places and find it is not like it is here.
just because hes paying him doesn't mean he can assault him LMAO. if ur boss pays you to make hot dogs that doesn't mean he can hold you at gun point and make you do it. you don't have to try and make him a better person to justify you reading this, its okay.
Okay I have read this over again. One you are right just because he is paying him doesn't mean he can assault him. The agreement they have does not hold. Dan can still say no. No person is ever required to have sex with someone else.
With that being said... Sexual assault and Sexual coercion are not rape. Rape is sexual assault but not all of the sexual assault is rape. https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/.
Rape is a form of sexual assault. However, not all forms of sexual assault will be considered
Jinx is non-consensual at times but it is not rape.
It is sexual assault.
It is sexual coercion, which is not rape but sexual assault. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sexual-coercion#examples
Jaekyung is a sexual abuser he is not a rapist. There is no rape in Jinx. You don't have to make statements like "you don't have to try and make him a better person to justify you reading this, its okay." it is like saying you making this rape or JK a rapist is either showing how uneducated you are or you are nasty person by adding more negative elements to the story. What you just did and my examples are ad hominem. It means you have lost. Mine was to show you what you were doing and how silly it was.
Ad hominem: in other words, a personal attack, attacking the person instead of attacking the issue. an example of Ad hominem would be, "poisoning the well" is the direct attack on the trustworthiness of the person making a statement instead of addressing the statement.
Ad hominem refers to attacking the person making the argument rather than addressing the argument itself."
You must not have a very good argument.
Jaekyung is better than how many people lead others to be. People are hating them like he murder Dan's whole family. Jk is 100% redeemable. He is toxic but he is in the shallow in of the pool of toxic compared to others tops/semes.
He is a good person but Dan has to bring it out and teach him. He is redeemable... Are you?
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https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/nonconsensual
https://academicaffairs.syracuse.edu/faculty-affairs/policies-and-procedures/faculty-manual/4-2-sexual-activity-non-consensual/
". The University will not tolerate rape, sexual assault, or other forms of sexual violence or nonconsensual sexual activity."
A university separating rape and nonconsensual
Any actual or attempted nonconsensual sexual activity including, but not limited to: sexual intercourse, or sexual touching, committed without physical force, coercion, threat, or intimidation; exhibitionism or sexual language of a threatening nature by a person(s) known or unknown to the victim."
Sexual touching is non con.
https://legalvoice.org/nonconsensual-pornography/
“Nonconsensual pornography” is when a sexually graphic image of you is shared without your consent.
https://www.youthpower.org/youthpower-issues/topics/non-consensual-sex
Non-consensual sex takes many forms, including forced sex, transactional sex, cross-generational sex, unwanted touch, and molestation.
Jinx is non-con (transactional sex) but it is not rape.
If you are meaning non-con for only rape then Jinx is not non-con. If you consider Jaekyung a rapist then with those terms everyone in real life would be in trouble and paranoid. Jaekyung is not a mind-reader.
I must say that this had taken me little aback because it must be the first time I’m seeing someone attempting to somehow defend him with semantics, in usual circumstances a person saying:”No,” “stop,” or/and violently sobbing from pain/discomfort/fear should be /quite/ enough for the other to immediately cease the act, they aren’t in a sadomasochistic dynamics where they set their own rules/safe words and thresholds together as a dominant who is completely in charge and a submissive who has to listen and obey.
Transactional relationship alone does not equal automatic consent whenever Jaekyung decides he wants to have sex; it is still rape if the consent is lacking, regardless of whether Dan is getting paid or not. I do not know how you imagine a transactional relationship to function in reality but it is certainly not like this rape/at times “only” borderline rape fest.
He certainly isn’t a murderer so there goes a little star for him he can put on the fridge but he certainly is prone to rape and is most definitely /among/ the most toxic tops you can witness that do not seem realistically redeemable.
RED FLAG #1
"I must say that this had taken me little aback because it must be the first time I’m seeing someone attempting to somehow defend him with semantics,"
I was not defending him.
RED FLAG #2
" Transactional relationship alone does not equal automatic consent whenever Jaekyung decides he wants to have sex;"
READ THE COMMENT YOU REPLYING TO!! It is at the beginning. "One you are right just because he is paying him doesn't mean he can assault him. The agreement they have does not hold. Dan can still say no. No person is ever required to have sex with someone else." "regardless of whether Dan is getting paid or not. I do not know how you imagine a transactional relationship to function in reality but it is certainly not like this rape/at times “only” borderline rape fest.
Thanks for sharing you did not read again and pushing your false narrative.
there is no rape in Jinx.
You are adding rape. It is like you are saying it is incest. I am saying there is no incest. but you claim I aM "DefEnDing" him for saying facts.
RED FLAG #3
i"n usual circumstances a person saying:”No,” “stop,” or/and violently sobbing from pain/discomfort/fear should be /quite/ enough for the other to immediately cease the act, "
Cherry picking.
Again with the safe words argument.
https://www.lascivity.co.uk/do-i-need-a-safeword-guide-to-safewords-in-bdsm/
"Well… no. You don’t always need to agree a safeword in advance with your partner, even when doing serious kinky stuff. Why? Well, primarily because in most cases there are dozens of pre-made safewords that should stop a scene if uttered. "
while Dan says no and stop did you READ the next line or look at the whole scene? No, you crave this to be rape.
You need to read the story and comments better. you need to learn what rape is. There is no rape. you are defending your rape pov. Why do you want it to be rape?
"He certainly isn’t a murderer so there goes a little star for him he can put on the fridge but he certainly is prone to rape and is most definitely /among/ the most toxic tops you can witness that do not seem realistically redeemable."
Where is the Jinx you are reading? lol. He is not prone to your POV. He is realistically redeemable. You are villainizing him to be something he is not.
Ask yourself this......
You did not read my comment correctly, could you have read Jinx wrong. (given that reply to me, that is a yes.) Now go back and ACTUALLY read my comment. And read the sexual coercion link. Sexual coercion is Sexual assault. It will give examples and only one is considered rape. The rest is sexual assault. And if you read that link you will see it is sexual coercion, not rape. RAPE HAS NO CHOICE. DAN HAS CHOICES AND Still makes them. We both knocked the transactional relationship My reason that you ignored to force your false narrative is " The agreement they have does not hold. Dan can still say no. No person is ever required to have sex with someone else" That is just facts.
Then you would see "Jinx is non-con (transactional sex) but it is not rape." I made Jinx non-con because of the transaction sex. But what happens in Jinx does no fall under rape.
If you don't have a better reply..... I will consider you what you just told me with the red flags..... a hater or a troll that is attacking others to fell like they have a moral compass when they show they don't have a moral compass. You have imposed a false position on me and the story to get a raise out of me to feel better about yourself while you made yourself look unknowledgeable and a person who is unable to read or comprehend to force the false narrative "IT IS RAPE!" We must have it rape because, after all, we have to make this popular story look bad and villainize Jaekyung because we can't understand this story.
OYI!
Maybe I should not give you a chance. You revealed yourself. I want real conversation and you showed me this will not be real conversation if you are ignoring what I say. and imposing on me.
Since you dismissed my words...You are dismissed. Find something more productive to do than the BS you just did for forcing you rape pov in a story that does not have rape.
Oh, no, I did not intend to have a conversation with you, I shared my opinion on what you have written since it was fairly shocking to me for personal reasons other than the objective questionable nature of what you are attempting to push for here. Neither of us is willing to change our stance on what is and isn’t rape, a conversation would be pointless before it’d even begin. Do have a good day.
You shared an opinion. I don’t not share an opinion.
Why would the truth and facts be shocking.
I am not pushing anything. If anyone was it is you with your “opinions”
If you look at what I posted. You will know for a fact this is not rape. You just want to stay willfully ignorant. It is not my stance it is simply the facts.
You can believe it is rape but the story had a different pov.
Whatever suits your POV, as I said. Relax as well, I’m not trying to gnaw at your throat so there is no need to be overly defensive. You can argue the semantics and nuances but at the end of the day if one party wasn’t willing, the other aggressively pushed for it regardless, that is rape, it would be rape irl and it is still rape in fictional work. If it isn’t rape to you and you wish to call it something else, then be my guest, it’s of no consequence.
“Whatever suits your POV, as I said. “
Doesn’t fit this situation. It is not my POV. It is facts and the story’s POV
“Relax as well, “
Does not fit this situation.
“I’m not trying to gnaw at your throat so there is no need to be overly defensive.”
Does not fit this situation.
“You can argue the semantics and nuances,”
I didn’t argue. You are trying to force your false narrative on me.
“ but at the end of the day if one party wasn’t willing the other aggressively pushed for it regardless, that is rape,”
Educate yourself and actually read the story. It doesn’t hold water to your POV.
“it would be rape irl”.
False.
“ it is still rape in fictional work. “
False.
“If it isn’t rape to you and you wish to call it something else, then be my guest, it’s of no consequence.”
You are adding rape. Why do you want this to be rape? My opinion don’t matter. The story POV and definitions says it is not rape. Try reading my comments and educate yourself. Most of my information is from a rape crisis counselor.
Rape is your POV.
The story if you read it is not rape.
My opinion is not in my comments. Thanks for sharing you did not read my comments or read to understand the story. You just want to impose your false narrative and try to harm others with lies.
Maybe I just read ENTIRELY too many fucked up enemies to lovers stories and toxic romances… but I’m rooting for Jaekyung to actually shed some of the pompous attitude and show his real personality. The guy that went to visit Dan’s grandma and beat the crap out of the debt collectors… I also want to believe that emotions are just foreign to him. Unpopular opinion but I think he’s better for having Dan & I’m hopeful he realizes it.