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Random shit I never understood in this manga, Tia had her first life in the modern world, ...

rotten March 25, 2024 1:28 am

Random shit I never understood in this manga, Tia had her first life in the modern world, second life ad a short haired lombardi Tia and third current life as a long haired lombardi Tia so as someone who died as an adult in her first life - how did she get bullied in her second life by a child ? Did she remember her first life only after she died in her second life or was it after her death in second life or something else? Can anyone point out when exactly she remembered her first life ?

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    Insertbratwurst March 25, 2024 2:55 am

    I believe she remembered her first life ever since the beginning of her second life. During her second life she grew up as a “bastard” child who was shunned by the Lombardi family. The entire family, other than her father, picked on her, which is why she was pushed into a servant’s position after her father died (since she no longer had his protection). Then her grandfather got sick and needed help running the family business because he was bedridden. Since Tia was smart (having the education from her previous life) she was able to assist her grandfather with his work. Through this experience, her grandfather came to regret that he had never treated her well. He died lamenting on his death bed that he hadn’t named her as the family’s heir. Tia who loved the Lombardi family, after becoming close to her now late grandfather, tried to convince her uncles, who had taken over the family not to squander the family fortune on gambling, wine, etc. They were annoyed with her nagging and so they kicked her out of the family. They then put all the remaining family finances into backing the first prince. This is because Tia’s uncle Vince, who was now the head of the family, is married to the queen’s blood relative. That means the first prince was his family by marriage. So he wanted to support him in hopes that doing so would make them closer as family, and as such grant him favors and authority. Turns out the second prince won the fight for the throne instead. The first prince and his followers were crushed and the Lombardi family fell into ruin. Tia in despair drank, got drunk, and then got into an accident. She woke up in the past, during a point in her second life- before her father had died. Having lived through the ruin of her family once already she was now equipped with knowledge that would help her change her future, as well as the means to save her father’s life, and keep the Lombardi family from falling into ruin. That’s basically the point where the series begins.

    rotten March 25, 2024 3:19 am
    I believe she remembered her first life ever since the beginning of her second life. During her second life she grew up as a “bastard” child who was shunned by the Lombardi family. The entire family, other ... Insertbratwurst

    Thanks for the reply but then it means this manhwa has a plot hole, she was intelligent enough and had enough knowledge from her first to Impress her random without any education in her second life but not enough to shutdown the bullying of a child ? Because it makes no sense for an adult (only in mind in Tia's case in her second life but still) to be bullied by a child unless the adult actually had some mental issues like severe depression or autism that a loud, entitled unruly child can take advantage of which was not the case for Tia.

    [NoName] March 25, 2024 3:23 am
    Thanks for the reply but then it means this manhwa has a plot hole, she was intelligent enough and had enough knowledge from her first to Impress her random without any education in her second life but not enou... rotten

    I think she just let it the bullying and the other stuff play out because she was a bastard she didnt think she "deserve any better". Just my opinion thou

    Ikana March 25, 2024 4:27 am
    Thanks for the reply but then it means this manhwa has a plot hole, she was intelligent enough and had enough knowledge from her first to Impress her random without any education in her second life but not enou... rotten

    She had the knowledge of her modern world life, but she didnt have the knowledge of her first life as tia. yes she knew about business, but she didnt know that her father would die young, that the pellet union would exist, that the second prince would take the throne, that her aunt would get cheated on and be left destitute, that her grandfather would get ill before seeing her business capabilities. Yes she was business savvy, but her entire first life as tia was destined for failure without the support of her father, grandfather, and aunt. So the only reason she is succeeding this time is because of her knowledge from her first life as tia, not her life in the modern world. if that makes sense.

    rotten March 25, 2024 5:36 pm
    She had the knowledge of her modern world life, but she didnt have the knowledge of her first life as tia. yes she knew about business, but she didnt know that her father would die young, that the pellet union ... Ikana

    My point really wasn't about her business though, it was about a adult letting a child bully them which doesn't fit with Tia's personality. You don't really need the memories of another life to stop a child from bullying you when you already have memories from one life, just my opinion really. Maybe it's just a minor plothole I am reading too much into.

    rotten March 25, 2024 5:38 pm
    I think she just let it the bullying and the other stuff play out because she was a bastard she didnt think she "deserve any better". Just my opinion thou [NoName]

    That could be it but I am still not sure how someone who as lived a previous life until adulthood might fall for that thinking. That was the reason why I thought Tia maybe only got her 1st life's memory after her 2nd life ended because that would explain these stuff easily.

    Insertbratwurst March 25, 2024 5:46 pm

    Seriously though, would an intelligent adult be able to stop their boss’s child from bullying them if their boss didn’t care it was happening? What would they do then? Would they humiliate their boss’s child to teach them a lesson, or would they try to take revenge on their boss’s child? The hole in your logic is that you’re acting like Tia was only up against children and not their parents as well. No one in the Lombardi family, other than her father, was on her side. What could she have done with her child’s body against the adults of the Lombardi family who hated her for being a bastard? Also, this is the second time today I posted this reply, did you delete the previous one because it disproved your supposed “plot hole theory”?

    rotten March 25, 2024 6:44 pm
    Seriously though, would an intelligent adult be able to stop their boss’s child from bullying them if their boss didn’t care it was happening? What would they do then? Would they humiliate their boss’s ch... Insertbratwurst

    She would do what she did in this life, you don't need the memories of every single life to handle a child. If Rulac was willing to take her side in this life with no extra proven power from Both Tia and her father then he should be willing to take her back then too, an intelligent adult won't need to know a person's whole life until death to solve a bullying problem. And also Tia basically admitted to being scared of the kids in her second life and being a kid herself - https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/i_ll_be_the_matriarch_in_this_life/uu/d_chapter-3/pg-1/ hence why I think she was very much actually a kid in her second life and not an adult and that was why I presented the question in a neutral tone in the initial question (because on one hand she maybe remembers her previous life in the 2nd one and on the other hand she admits to being a kid in her second one? And both situations are somehow there in the first few chapters ?? )and had no mention of a plot hole. And even if I did mention that later on, why is pointing out the inconsistencies an issue ? Having one inconsistent point doesn't suddenly make the story bad or anything, they are just normal stuff that happen when you right a story on a tight schedule.

    And dude why the sudden aggressiveness, its just a story and I was discussing inconsistencies and if that triggers you and makes you make false accusations about things that never even happened then maybe you should you know take a step away from forum media. If you haven't noticed, there is no delete button when you reply to comments. Only the main comment can be deleted and I even cross checked if I deleted the main by mistake but its still there so I am not sure what you are on about with false accusations about things are so easy to disapprove.

    Resorting to ad hominem fallacy doesn't help anyone and is easily the worst argument in any debate.

    rotten March 25, 2024 6:46 pm

    Apologies to anyone who finds that some of my comments have half finished sentences, my keyboard is messing things up toward.

    Insertbratwurst March 26, 2024 12:23 am

    How would I know if there’s a feature to delete someone else’s comment or not? This isn’t my thread. Many social media sites and other types of sites that allow comments give the original poster the ability to remove comments on their thread that they disapprove of. They don’t offer that ability to anyone other than the original poster. As I am making a response, NOT a post, I can’t see if you have such an option or not. I only asked because the comment I posted last night has somehow disappeared despite being posted already and having already showed up as one of the listed comments. If that wasn’t your doing then it was probably a technical glitch by mangago. I stated the plot hole issue because you mentioned a plot hole in response to my first comment. You said the plot hole = tia with an adult’s memory shouldn’t be able to be bullied by a child. You reiterated this in another comment at 5:36pm. That made it seem like you were really hung up on the plot hole thing. I replied to the comment immediately after that one but my comment somehow disappeared? So it seemed logical that maybe you didn’t like having your twice declared “plot hole” disproven. That annoyed me since deleting only the claim that you were mistaken instead of the entire thread felt like you only cared about being right. Since it annoyed me, and let me remind you I have no way of seeing whether you can delete my comments or not, I used a single sentence at the end of my post to complain. My complaint wasn’t hostile! It was a genuine question! I wanted to know if you had deleted my comment and why! I didn’t insult you or use rude or offensive language, yet you’re calling me aggressive, claiming I made accusations, telling me to get off the forum… all I did was ask a question! If anyone deserves to hear the rude things you posted it’s you.

    Ikana March 26, 2024 1:06 am
    She would do what she did in this life, you don't need the memories of every single life to handle a child. If Rulac was willing to take her side in this life with no extra proven power from Both Tia and her fa... rotten

    no need to be throwing around "ad hominem fallacy" in an isekai mangago comment section.

    rotten March 26, 2024 7:05 am
    How would I know if there’s a feature to delete someone else’s comment or not? This isn’t my thread. Many social media sites and other types of sites that allow comments give the original poster the abili... Insertbratwurst

    Dude, why won't I call it an accusation when your first thought after seeing your comment being deleted is basically going "hmm somehow OP is the one who deleted it because my comment proved everything and she hated not being right " (your words, nor mine by the way - "So it seemed logical that maybe you didn’t like having your twice declared “plot hole” disproven. That annoyed me since deleting only the claim that you were mistaken instead of the entire thread felt like you only cared about being right. Since it annoyed me, and let me remind you I have no way of seeing whether you can delete my comments or not, I used a single sentence at the end of my post to complain", and your single sentence from the post before by the way -Also, this is the second time today I posted this reply, did you delete the previous one because it disproved your supposed “plot hole theory”?). Why wouldn't anyone consider it aggressive? And you already admitted to being annoyed while typing that comment so why won't you think that annoyed feeling can lead to an aggressive tone even unintentionally? You don't usually need to resort to name calling for an aggressive comment, have you never sent or received a company email before lol. If you didn't mean it intentionally and if you felt my comment had an aggressive tone towards you even though it was not my intention then my bad ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭. We can't all decipher different tones in writing especially without tone indicators, makes communicating a lot more difficult compared to when it's face to face.

    "How would I know if there’s a feature to delete someone else’s comment or not? This isn’t my thread. Many social media sites and other types of sites that allow comments give the original poster the ability to remove comments on their thread that they disapprove of. They don’t offer that ability to anyone other than the original poster. As I am making a response, NOT a post, I can’t see if you have such an option or not. " - Sorry Dude, I didn't know you are new here and haven't made a single post here yet. I would usually cross check with my other posts I have made in the past to see if that option even exits before dropping a comment about it in the post where it happened and I also won't really add this part -" because it disproved your supposed “plot hole theory” to that question because it would be a genuine question and nothing extra. Of course I should have considered the fact that maybe you are new to the website or maybe have never made a single post here before, my bad.

    The reason I mentioned taking a step back from the forum because I thought you were getting annoyed over the topic (again something you admitted to) and honestly I didn't think it was a topic worth getting upset about in any capacity. If this feels rude to you - "its just a story and I was discussing inconsistencies and if that triggers you and makes you make false accusations about things that never even happened then maybe you should you know take a step away from forum media" especially when I really meant that you shouldn't bother with discussions or topics that upset you and effect your mental wellbeing then I am not really sure what else I could meant here. My advice is still the same about it, and honestly given how you haven't really given a new perspective for me to consider since your first comment let's just agree to disagree.

    rotten March 26, 2024 7:11 am
    no need to be throwing around "ad hominem fallacy" in an isekai mangago comment section. Ikana

    What was I supposed to assume when someone thought I was desperate enough to delete comments that disagreed with me to be proven right over an isekai in mangago comment section, that's basically one of the few things a person can assume about an anonymous commentor . Though the discussion did derail a lot, I am sorry that you got dragged in it simply for participation. Sorry for wasting your time and have a nice day!

    Insertbratwurst March 26, 2024 12:12 pm

    Okay, I get where you’re coming from. Honestly though, I used the word supposed because it means something is of an uncertain nature and has yet to be proven. That wasn’t intended as sarcasm. Also, I have only ever worked in entry level retail positions during my 15 years of employment and so, to be honest, I have never received this “company email” you speak of. In fact, I didn’t know that even marginally aggressive statements were allowed in any workplace. Everywhere I’ve ever worked, things like that could get you in trouble with HR.

    So basically my use of the word “supposedly” and the fact that I asked if you had deleted my comment resulted in the following,
    -I was called aggressive
    -I was described as being triggered
    -I was told I should leave the forum
    -I was accused of “ ad hominem fallacy” when my question of asking if you’d deleted my comment, by nature of being a question, is neither an attack nor an accusation. Plus 7 lines of directly related commentary that were included with that one question would not qualify my comment for ad hominem fallacy.
    For a person who only had good intentions, even if I was annoyed by my comment disappearing, considering that at that point you only had this sentence to complain about, “ Also, this is the second time today I posted this reply, did you delete the previous one because it disproved your supposed “plot hole theory”?” Those response of yours felt like overkill.
    Again, being annoyed that my comment disappeared isn’t “triggered”. Not to mention you keep linking my annoyance about my missing comment with the discussion of the forum in general? I don’t see how those two are related. I was annoyed at my comment disappearing, not at the topic of the thread.
    You spend 2 comments building up reasons to prove your suspicions that the author might have had a plot hole, and all I did was point out the flaw in the logic you used. Most people would consider that a conversational debate right? It’s not hostile and not automatically going along with the evidence provided, and instead providing a counter explanation, doesn’t make someone triggered.
    Really it’s amazing how a lack of vocal tones can lead to such an unpleasant outcome.