No consent

Bc they aren't ok in the head.

i cant wait for the discussions that will come here

Let's see. Some people are from repressed / strict environments where intimate relations aren't encouraged (outside of marriage) and spoken abt, so maybe they like seeing characters that are "forced to enjoy" intercourse without actively seeking it?
Just a thought.
And also, some people are into non-con (CNC is v much a kink)

I used avoid SA bcs i hated the idea, I only read fluffy ones or ones that contain little to no rape BUT i got influenced bcs of those interesting popular manwhas that contain rape and started reading them more. The more I read the more it felt natural for me. My brain have normalized it throughout the years of reading it to point i find it attractive. Ik I’m mess in the head and crazy finding this attractive BUT It used to not be my cup of tea and I was one of those people that find it disgusting how ppls can enjoy rape manwha but now it’s a addiction/fetish my brain seem to have. If ppls called me sick in the head I will agree bcs it is and used to same pov. It still wrong af since it rape no matter what whenever it fake or not. I don’t normalized this in real life situations and never will. It disgusting and disturbing in case you wondering

I understand this. Being a part of conservative commnuity , it may be like a outlet, but still I don't think I want be forced


About the kink well that's a personal choice

I feel the plot wud be more driven without them , of course we are smart enough to distinguish reel and real


But just from a story prespective I find them unnecessary unless of course it's a yandere one
Recently been enjoying series like lost in cloud , stranger , twittering birds can fly
So unless it drives the plot , I can't wrap my head around it , it feels just for views like Sidney Sheldon novels and people enjoy it for kinks

I don’t think you will be if you have justified that rape is wrong. just like those influencers on social media telling you their forced opinion upon you and don’t follow their example cus you want to. You don’t need to be like everybody else to enjoy BL, we all are different after all. Everyone is biased to some manwha and that ok. Just enjoy reading what you feel is comfortable for you (๑^ᴗ^๑)

For real!! I been getting sick of rape lately since it same scenario every time. Been reading towards shounen ai these days since the plots are more unique & you can tell how frequently ppls upload a rape series on these sites

I think authors that does rape either have fetish for it or use it to make things romantic faster than slowburn. Such as example like the seme rape the uke, next thing you know seme is trying to be romantic to the uke and uke start to fall in love with the seme. that one common way a lot authors using rape into their story for a plot, I think you right about it for the views. Rape is popular and many authors realized that to use it as way to attract new readers to make their manwha more popular

Side note, I love those series especially lost in the cloud, I’m obsessed and think abt it daily ヾ(☆▽☆)

What do u mean justified rape is wrong.
Isn't it wrong ? Not my justification . Where is it right?

Been busy with school haven’t had chance to look this site so apologies for late reply

I think you misunderstood what I trying say, well how I said it made me look pretty sus lol sorry in further explanation my mind doesn’t think anything that fictional that contain rape is wrong bcs my mind has convinced it self it not real = it not happening to this person cause they don’t exist so it made me actually find it the smut hot but some part of me still if someone that actually with that experience SA come and see ppls enjoy rape on manwhas that be disgusted and say wtf is wrong with these people? bcs they actually experience how traumatized is really it (trust me it really scary I actually experienced it but we are not talking abt that so ignore this) and authors are right here encouraging it as a hype and even normalizing it so part me feel guilty..

I relate to you on that first part. I can read noncon unblinkingly (unless I'm emotionally invested, in which case I'll get Mad at the offending chara and lose my mind) bc i don't register it as "real".

I think it's fine to read and even enjoy such content, as long as you can differentiate between fiction & reality. Enjoying reading it is all good and well, but sexualising an actual situation or doing something of the like would be what's problematic (and illegal).

Of course, people who dislike such content are valid as well, to each, their own and all that. It's fine for them to dislike the increased noncon in fiction. Harassing authors / artists & readers who like that sort of thing is not it though, obviously.

And also, for your last point, I don't think I'd say authors are encouraging noncon, so don't think too much about that. The relationships that are depicted are toxic a lot of the times, yes, but maybe that's what they or their target audience like. In the end, it's all fiction. You'll see plenty of novels (and i mean the "straight" kind) out there that have such content, both popular and not. They've been around for ages and probably will continue.

Anyw, as long as the readers are of age, have a firm grasp on the difference between fiction and reality, and know their preferences, it's good imo. In the first place, people who take these dark fiction as encouragement to commit or continue doing criminal acts are simply not in their right mind and/or need help.

I got it . Yes I think I hate the normalization, it's not normalized in straight or yuri mangas, which makes me believe the authors think its okay cuz it's a man

I don't think just cuz something is there for a long time makes it all right, someone must make the change.
Same for all art (including movies)

Target audience I dunno I think some authors are still in the stone age mindset of how dominating ones opinions are hot or something.

I can also read non without blinking, but do we need it?
I don't consider dark fiction. It's supposed to be dark
I am talking about those novels where they rape to progess the romance between the leads.saying the generic shit like I can't hold back or u provoked me.

You're right. Something being there for a long time doesn't mean it's right. But so long as there's an audience for it, such content will exist. And speaking of need, we technically don't "need" any of these written or drawn forms of fiction, but we read them nonetheless.

And I understand you don't like the use of noncon as a means to a romantic relationship, but you can't expect morality to always be there in fiction.

On the subject of morality, noncon isn't the only problematic thing. There's plenty authors portraying torture, murder, financial crimes and manipulation and such (not necessarily between the main charas) and romanticise them.

We both probably disagree on this topic, but I don't think the existence of these types of fiction is "right" or "wrong" or that they should be erased. If that's the case, half of the content people are reading shouldn't exist and they are wrong to enjoy them.
As long as people recognise something in fiction as bad, I don't see any issue.

Anyw, if anything I said here offends you, that was not my intention, and sorry for that in advance.

As I said dark themes are fine it's fiction, I didn't go as far as morality .

My point is why only is yaoi , no constent is seen as normal for even wholesome stories when it makes no sense to plot and just acts as pronographic material .

Chill I am not offended by anything. Like this manga love story caused by willful negligence, I read this , will the ml never be held responsible for his actions
Killing stalking, showed the reality of it.

You are right stories have no right or wrong , but I mean if it made sense to the story okay , but nope as one person said , it's done to hurry the romance and shown as okay.

I think it's common probably because:

1) It's an easy way to include explicit content quickly without immediately having the characters develop a positive and/or romantic relationship

2) A lot of popular manga / webtoons have the trope of a trash chara falling in love with the bottom they abused (whether they regret their actions or not), so more creators use the same trope to attract readers

3) The creators simply like that kind of trope, whether it fits the situation or not.

It doesn't make sense all the time, yeah, but i suppose it doesn't matter sometimes? I don't know tbh

Also, just realised you're the OP