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Meow meow May 21, 2024 7:14 pm

I have question. I've already read this novel a while ago and I just never liked the ml but I'm not able pinpoint why.
Has anybody else felt like this while reading the novel?

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    Okarisu May 21, 2024 10:17 pm

    I was rooting for him at first. I loved the idea of a transmigrated villain regaining their memories but NOT overall changing as a person. He learned to love because of his past life where he had a loving family, a little sister he adored, and sympathy for Juliette when playing the VN. But overall, he was still 100% a villain. It makes sense. Why would your morals suddenly change when you’ve lived this way for decades? So it was fun seeing him he away with shit at first. But it wasn’t handled well in the end.
    - Forcing a woman he loved to marry him, using his daughter he doesn’t care for in order to gain power, doing some under the table stuff to earn money illegally, probably even the occasional assassination. Cool. But then you have him dealing drugs that have caused a shit load of people to get addicted and die. Okay, yeah that’s evil, but that’s not fun evil. Drug dealers aren’t fun evil. They’re just assholes. I’m gonna have trouble rooting for that. Torturing the sister also went beyond fun evil, even if there WERE reasons behind it aside from revenge.
    - Changing his rep. Embrace being a villain, bro. Outsmart them and put them into a corner and be like, “Yeah, I did it, but we’re at the point where there’s nothing you can do about it.” That’s fun. But here he’s just making himself look like a saint and a martyr by lying left and right and saying he suffered so much. That’s not fun. Now you’re a liar and not even in the fun way. I don’t want people feeling bad for you and looking at you like you’re a good person. Now you’re just a manipulative dick and it’s no fun.
    - Then there’s the issue of consent. If Jorga and Lytro (god, he shouldn’t have even had a love interest, especially one who’s 28) fell for villains, fine. In fact, that would be a hell of a lot more interesting. The telling yourself you can’t, that this is wrong, that they’re a bad person, but being drawn to them anyway, unable to help yourself. But instead, they fall for these fakes. If that was temporary, fine. But they’re almost definitely gonna stay together in a lie forever. A relationship based on lies is not fun. Like the villain. And having sex with someone when you think they’re completely different just brings about consent issues for me. It’s not straight-up r*pe by deception but it feels in that territory.
    So overall, I think that what makes this character unlikable is that some of his villainous actions are the actions of just a shit person instead of a villain, and he doesn’t bring things to the public, instead choosing to hide behind the mask of a saint. I’ll root for a villain. I’m not gonna root for a deceptive shit head.

    Amon May 22, 2024 5:52 am
    I was rooting for him at first. I loved the idea of a transmigrated villain regaining their memories but NOT overall changing as a person. He learned to love because of his past life where he had a loving famil... Okarisu

    I don't think you know what a villain is.

    Okarisu May 22, 2024 7:51 pm
    I don't think you know what a villain is. Amon

    I made a total of one comment on his villainous actions that I don't like. If you wanna do a drug dealing villain, do a drug dealing villain. Then the girl he tortured had the most minimal actions on how he was defeated, so it was just like, "...Okay?" Making a villain do evil things that either make no sense or add nothing to the story (except for the "We're actually wonderful people" plot, which is stupid), solely to reinforce how evil they are is boring and doesn't add anything to their character. At best, it's like, "Yeah, we get it, they're evil" and at worst it's like "This is just pointless and excessive and makes them look more douchey than evil." It's like how Bob-Dale in season 3 of Twin Peaks feeds off of fear, which is why he commits evil deeds, but then he rapes Audrey while she's in a coma. Being in a coma, she is not capable of feeling fear. He gets nothing out of it, and it makes no sense. It was just the writers going "oooh isn't he such a bad and scary guy?"

    The other critiques were just that I'm uncomfortable with questionable consent and that he's boring af because he's trying to make himself look like this poor, poor saint and never having any intention to reveal himself, devastating the heroes with a final "gotcha". So I honestly made minimal comments on why I find him a bad attempt at a likable villain. Most of it was why I think he gives off "white collar douche bag trying to get out of paying his taxes" vibes due to not really pushing in on that villain role.

    pigglypoof May 27, 2024 1:56 am

    I don't dislike Jorga but I don't love Jorga x Andrim. It doesn't feel like they actually love each other. Jorga hated Andrim for decades. I don't find that believable that he fell for Andrim so easily. Feelings don't flip-flop that quickly. I don't feel like Andrim genuinely loves Jorga either. It feels more like lust on Jorga's side and possession on Andrim's.

    Meow meow May 28, 2024 4:44 pm
    I don't dislike Jorga but I don't love Jorga x Andrim. It doesn't feel like they actually love each other. Jorga hated Andrim for decades. I don't find that believable that he fell for Andrim so easily. Feeling... pigglypoof

    OMG this is it!

    zoa May 29, 2024 2:50 pm
    I was rooting for him at first. I loved the idea of a transmigrated villain regaining their memories but NOT overall changing as a person. He learned to love because of his past life where he had a loving famil... Okarisu

    Woah this make sense, and agree this not fun crime, feels got manipulative by author (⊙…⊙ )