Wait a minute, hold the fuck up. People are saying sunbae raped sun-hiwa I don't know his ...

Well, I think it's a little more complicated. I think Sun Hwa gave in because he was horny and he waned to have sex. Sun Hwa's ambivalence and lack of ability to process his feelings and assert himself confuses things (it doesn't mean it's okay to ignore him when he says no though). I don't think he said okay because he was afraid things would escalate. I think he said okay because he changed his mind--his horniness overcame his panic at what was happening. So, while Sunbae is acting badly, Sun Hwa does freely choose to have sex.

I don't think Sun Hwa feels raped at that point. I believe he is confused and overwhelmed, but not afraid or feeling bullied yet.

Wait.

I'm guessing that flashbacks will show us an unhealthy relationship develops and that at some point Sunbae will do something horrible. I think we should acknowledge that Sun Hwa does want to have sex (now and at other times), and he is complicated and has issues asserting himself. That doesn't make it okay to take advantage of him--it's only a recognition of his inner conflicts.

I definitely see the latter half as rape. Okay, so we get that Sun Hwa was masturbating and Sunbae was coming on to him when he noticed him doing so. Sun Hwa was probably just saying "no" because he was confused about the situation, like whether or not he enjoyed being in this situation. But over time, all the foreplay that was going on made him really horny. When Sunbae asked Sun Hwa if he wanted him to "put it in," Sun Hwa was most likely thinking that if Sunbae cared enough about doing foreplay at all and getting him off, he would probably be gentle during sex too. His "okay" was to consent for the kind of sex that both parties could enjoy. He didn't say "yes" because he wanted to get hurt. You definitely see it on Sun Hwa's face that his expectations were shattered. The two of them weren't on the same page, but it's all Sunbae's fault, not the victim's.

Also, suri, I think it's sad that you think that men always have to be "strong," at least stronger than women. We need to see past that traditional way of thinking because everyone is different. This kind of thinking is what makes boys feel pressured because they feel as though they aren't "real men" if they don't comply to society's expectations.

Ya'll really getting heated over this "was it rape?" thing. Chillout, it's fiction.

It is just fiction, but for the sake of discussion, I for one don't think it has anything to do with a character being male. I also hate it when female survivors are shoved into a narrow role of 'victim' and not seen as complex people with flaws and inner conflicts and desires too. i didn't read the story the same you you did, but everyone has different interpretations. It makes the discussions interesting.

Agreed. I found it rapey. He say yes under especial circunstances, when he has been forcely aroused, his mind is a mess, and he is not given consent to being penetrated with violence is obvious. Besides, not fight back is not an invitation to do whatever he wants. Its common in this situation to freeze and get paralisized. The mind and the body are two different things, force someone to almost have a orgasm and then make him beg to have it, is more easier than you think and then left the victim-blame and many conflict with the concept of his sexuality and his own body.

It wasnt rape. it was forced but wasnt rape. lots of time in a man/woman realationships the male one doesnt want sex (isnt in a mood tired or whatever) but the woman jump him seduce him and make a mood no one call it rape :| but if it was reverse some people call it rape.and by the way he was Masterbuting next to him.when u do that in someones bed that means u had something for him even if u werent aware of that.people dont just do that in someones house offen :| and trust me even not violence rapes arent this sweet

If a woman forced herself on a man then I would call it rape. I also don't think you can classify how "sweet" a rape is. Again, I'm not saying he was raped or not, but your logic is flawed.

Two most comments arguments they have in this site is "but it is just a fiction and not real life" and "as long as they like it's not rape". This is really getting really old %90 percent of yaoi has rape in it and most of them are let's rape this guy and turn him to gay.
I don't know why so many mangaka use this trope I don't care much and I am a victim. But this pages long arguments about victims and situation really bothers me. I don't know how many of you molested like I was or worse raped but I feel strong when I read this rape scene not be bothered by it because I moved on. So please stop about this arguments of what is ethical or not, what is rape or not because everyone is different, have different coping mechanisms and most of you who make this arguments don't even know what we been through so please stop it. I would be happy to not see about other peoples opinions about what victims like I might feel because they bother me more than 2d drawn comics with rape scenes.
TLDR: I should move on to another site so Goodbye everyone.

You just completely misconstrued what I wrote, so if you want to make me the bad guy go ahead. Have fun on your new website, or stay here. Just remember that things on the internet can differ greatly from the intent depending on how you read it, and I think you just read my post and completely took it to mean something else. So don't put words into my mouth.

I am sorry for what you have been through. You are not alone. Sadly, rape and abuse are common. I don't want to start discussions that are too personal, but it is likely that most people who have strong feelings on this topic one way or the other all have our reasons. But as you said, everyone reacts differently.

It seems sometimes hard to separate discussions of motives and actions of characters from some of the personal issues we face. I don't think most people are wondering what survivors in general might feel when we discuss a specific character. Too many of us already have our own experiences. But for these discussions, we are talking about specific characters in specific stories--but it does get messy because we do have tendencies to project out own feelings. It's human.

If these types of discussion bother you, you should definitely avoid the comments sections. As you said, everyone deals with issues in her or his own way. Some of us may use fiction to work through various feelings, or to transform things and gain a sense of power, or whatever. Some of us hate the very things that help others, though it comes from a similar wrong done to us personally. So, sometimes we make comments that come from different perspectives on this. We are all different as to how we see things and what helps or hinders us.

TLDR: I am truly sorry it bothers you, but it helps me.