Yes, it was rape. Rape has nothing to do with the intent of the rapist. That would mean someone you killed while sleepwalking wasn't killed by you. How that makes sense I have NO idea.
This is basically "if you didn't want to get raped you shouldn't have worn a short skirt" mentality.
Intent is very important when it comes to rape, killing and the law that decide on both of these. BTW if you kill someone while sleepwalking, yes you killed that person but the law does not see it as murder because one you are unaware of what you are doing and you are not in the right state of mind, if you have a good lawyer you might not even see a day in prison.
No. Nononononononononono. Murder vs manslaughter is one thing. Rape is another. With rape, the intent is rather straight forward. You want someone to have sexual relations with you, so you are forcing them. Even if your drunk and rape someone, the intent is still the same. And even if your drunk it's a BS excuse. You are not going to RAPE someone in your sleep. These two things are not comparable.
Well, I mean, it's possible, but extremely unlikely. Even in that case, it rarely holds up in court. Honestly, I don't know why I'm discussing this. Point is he was awake and he could resist temptation, but he didn't.
There is actually a sex disorder that makes you have sex with anyone, sex or gender does not matter. the person with the disorder is unaware of what there are doing and most of the time they are unaware that they even have the disorder. there is no way the courts will charge an individual with such a disorder with rape. BTW the intent of rape is power most of the time the act of sex is unimportant. the rapist just wants to feel power and the most effective way the think they can gain it is by violating another person in the most cruel way possible. If you have never been rape, sat in a room with a rapist and look them in their eyes or even study rape you can't really comment about rape. Those who have actually been rape the "rape" scene in most yaoi mangas are actually comically. one of the few yaoi manga that i think have an actual rape scene that make me emotional is LET DIE.
Yes that is why I don't like omegaverse so much it is romanticized abuse, rape has no excuse at all.
Yes, I know the actual motivation of rape is power, but the intent of the act itself is to perform sexual actions.
First of all, you do not know what I have or have not studied, nor do you know my sexual history, so you can drop the assumptions.
Honestly, if someone with a disorder raped me because they're mentally ill, I probably wouldn't give a damn. I'd want them to burn in hell. This is coming from someone who has a mental disorder that effects their everyday life. A mental disorder that makes me do crazy things I can't control.
Do you know what else is a mental disorder? Pedophilia. We should let them walk? This has been discussed. Genes or disorders that make a person do or want bad things. Is that an excuse for what they did. Is that a reason for me to forgive them?
You are bringing up irrelevant things. That is not the case with this character. In other omegaferses I can see that they literally can't resist, but this guy could he knew what he was doing. He decided to use that situation to his advantage.
Okay here is some honesty. I have been raped, multiple times throughout my life, from childhood until i was a teenager. It took me years to even look in the mirror without feeling disgusted. And it took longer for me to get my self- esteem and accept that it was not my fault. I have looked one of my rapist in the eyes on daily basis and all i felt was fear and hatred. Even now as a gown woman i still sometimes feel awkward around male- i hide it well but none the less i feel it. even now i will be happy if he dies a cruel, painful, and slow death. I don't consider most of the 'rape' scenes in yaoi manga to be rape because i am personally aware of how rape effect someone psychologically and i believe for me to consider 'yaoi rape' to be real life 'rape' is basically dismissing or diminishing the pain, anger, self-blame, fear, shame that real people feel after being raped because in most yaoi manga before the so called 'rape' scene is over the uke is holding onto the seme and they end up in a relationship. I don't even want to be in the same room with any of my rapist let alone trust them enough to be in a relationship with them. And one should ever ask you to forgive someone who rapes you until you yourself wants to if ever. And anyone who touch a child deserve to be punished. Yes i believe that pedo is a mental disorder because one has to be to ever want to touch a child in a sexual way but that does not mean i want them out on the street where there are children. i want them to get help because prison does not seems to be very effective as a way to get them to stop.
I'm so sorry to hear that, and i apologize if I came off as overly aggressive.
Pedophiles I also think deserve help. I know that they have a mental disorder, but it's the ones that go through with it despite knowing it's wrong or trying to get help that tick me off.
I guess we were both looking at this from two different angles due to our differing experiences in different fields (as well as, at least in my case, sexual orientation), both of which apply two different aspects of this situation in case. There are differing opinions on what constitutes as rape based on whether or not a person has been sexually assaulted or not, but even among people who have been, as no two experiences are ever the same.
No hard feelings, I hope. I wish you well.
I don't know why people use real world rape logic when reading a manga that does not portray rape realistically. Yeah he was raped but it's not something the manga treats as a serious issue so why should I feel bad that he was raped?
Why do people even read omegaverse if they want complain when people aren't viewing the rapist/victim as so? Omegaverse justifies the rape of an omega by an alpha during heat because of pheromones. The rapist is acting in a very animalistic way that they usually can not control. In the omegaverse rape probably isn't even a crime. If the victim seems traumatized by the rape then we'll feel bad for him. But when he goes back to the alpha, willingly lets him into his house, and has practically no ill feelings towards shortly afterwards it's hard to feel bad for them. When the omega begins to fall in love the the alpha after the fact how can I be expected to sympathize with him. Yeah he got raped, but he didn't treat it negatively, and he got someone to love out of it. The way this story makes it seem is like the rape was almost a good thing because it just strengthens their bond.
I don't think people would be bringing up the rape part as much if the omega was better. However, from what I've seen (and I only skimmed the latest chapter) it seems like the omega is still very uncomfortable, if not a bit intimidated, by the alpha. That's my guess. I mean, there's rape in yaoi and I get that so I try not to complain too much about it, but from where I was standing it looked like the omega was really concerned.
hey it no longer effect my daily life- it is now in the past but thanks. And there is nothing to apologize for, we just have differing opinions which i respect, i might not agree with it but i respect it. You are entitled to yours as i am mine. I am just glad you were not rude about expressing your opinion and i hope i wasn't either.
It's all good. :)
It seemed to me like the omega was more concerned that the alpha's feelings were not genuine not that he had raped him.
In this manga, the uke is actually strong, he defended himself when a group of guys tried to rape him. He is a bit uneasy around the seme because he does not think that he seme is actually serious about him and just teasing him. it seems he is already in love with the uke but is just too afraid to admit it because he doesn't know where they stand relationship wise.
Maybe, but I guess it might not seem that way to everyone. To me he seems intimidated. Not necessarily from the rape, but just intimidated. Maybe because the alpha comes on to strong. I mean, like showing up at his house and everything.
Well I think he was just questioning the alpha's feelings because he thought things like "what do you want after all this time?" and later when they were having sex he said something about the alpha playing with him. And in chapter 3 he also mentions that he thinks the alpha is toying with him. So I think he either feels the alpha is not giving him enough respect or that the alpha does not truly love him. The only time I felt like he might be intimidated was when the alpha initiated the sex. I figured that because they were a pair it is now harder for the omega to resist the alpha and that's why he thought "I really am this guys pair now". I guess we can agree that the rape may not be a major concern for him though.
When you live in a country with high rape/murder rates it becomes very difficult to justify or romanticize
If rape in manga personally bothers you don't read omegaverse because it is epitome of justified and romanticized rape. I'm not justifying rape in a real world country, I'm justifying the rape in the fictional omegaverse and specifically in this manga and specifically between the main alpha and the omega. Read my anon post above at 8:32 pm to know why I don't use real world rape logic with forming my opinion here. Do not assume you know where I live nor my life experiences, that has nothing to do with my opinion on rape in this manga. Go find the author and send them your complains about justified and romanticized rape because I'm just viewing it how they presented it.
I think it wasn't rip,,,cuz the omega he had is heat,,,ones the omega release he's heat and the alpha smal it the alpha lost he's control,,,and counot stop,,they're self,,,,