Though the doujin was good the way Yuuri looked just... (￣∇￣")
Just the same when yuuri is topping. The artists tend to turn him into an overly muscular guy, and make super sassy, smaller viktor when it's obvious viktor is more muscular than him.
Lol why you guys complaining about yuri's small build? Just take a nice look of this picture http://imageshack.com/a/img924/2168/lpolyi.jpg are you going to complaining the official art too? Yes he is SMALLER, you guys just mistaken because you see him on his skate almost all the time in the anime
no I KNOW Yuuri has a smaller build. it's just that in this dj each page he becomes younger and younger. I know that's just the consistency issue with the dounjinka.
Umm hate to break it to you OP, but official art has yuuri is as stacked as Victor- he is just lean. Which makes sense since he can pole dance and lift not only himself but Chris as well. https://twitter.com/soukatsu_/status/842550917807464449
A lot of the doujinka will have issues with anatomy ╮(￣▽￣)╭ and the fact that the MCs of YOI are athletes makes it even harder for artist to draw them. muscle detail etc.
Lol? They are not even in the one pic? How are you very sure he is just as stacked as viktor? and the second pic of yuri with makkachin Isn't he cute and looked shota-ish? And have you heard "drink 5 glass of milk and try move the wall. Drink 5 glass of wine and the wall moves itself." If yuri is that strong, yuri would definitely lift viktor when they were doing stammi vicino in the last episode. No?
One think I was wrong about and it's not makkachin but vicchan
The arm pillow of Yuri shows definition of his arms and torso; you also have to keep in mind that Yuuri is Japanese and will have a lithe and lean build in comparison to Victor who's European. So yes Yuuri can be depicted with muscles and 4 pack same for Victor.
Notice that Yuuri's clothes are almost always larger than his frame, he likes baggy and comfortable clothes or it's the official artist's preference. He is cute and has a baby face like most asians but the man is 24 and not 12 so I don't think he looks shota-ish. His clothes almost always hides his frame. I'm pretty sure that the dog is Makkachin even though his size is wrong; due to his colouring. Vicchan had a warm brown coat.
We didn't see the whole of Stammi Vicino, so if Yuuri can lift Chris and himself on a pole he can lift Victor lol.
It's funny how hard you try but abandoning the fact that both Yuri and Chris also put their weigh on the POLE, without the pole he won't be able to lift Chris only by TWO ARMS.
Vicchan and makkachin looked almost the same, vicchan looked like he had warm brown coat because it was sunset at that time. Remember when yuri prayed for vicchan in episode 1 vicchan also had that pale brown coat. The artist never draw smaller version of makkachin because it would be easily mistaken to vicchan. And well of course you can think whatever you want, to me he looked so shota-ish because of his baby face and small build (that's what all you need to draw a little kid anyway) And he almost looked the same age as yurio. Aaand I'm Asian my self, I'm very AWARE how Asian look like.
I would know too since I am also asian so...╮(￣▽￣)╭
Lol I can't believe the length I go to prove myself for this xD.
I was talking about the hold Yuuri had on Chris on Ep 10 (22:10) http://i.imgur.com/O7DovN4.jpg . The only thing Chris is holding on to is Yuuri's Neck. Yuuri is not only supporting himself but Chris~ I believe you are talking about the pose where Yuuri has Chris on his back?
This is the Otomedia scan on Makkachin and Vicchan https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/02/14/yuri-on-ice-interview-with-our-three-skaters-otomedia-january-2017/ The have different shade of brown
Then you should very aware how 12 y/o Asian look like xD I've been asking my family and friends and most of them believed yuri is no more than 17 years old boy. Why bother with yuri shota-ish looks when the official art showed him look that way as well. There's yuri with muscle detail and yuri without muscle detail in YOI official art so it depends on doujinka which one they prefer to draw and also fitting their artwork style. About makkachin and vicchan this one I agree with you xD
But I shall repeat myself : yuri drank glasses, I mean glasses of wine, HE IS INCREDIBLY DRUNK.
It's a common knowledge when people drunk they are more stronger than normal. Alcohol depresses inhibitions and numbs pain you don't know your own limit and you don't feel pain. It also rushes adrenaline which making blood pressure surges and rising heart races, delivering oxygen and energy to the muscles and make you a super human up until you are passed out. So that time yuri wasn't his usual self he got the strength from alcohol. I once flipped my dresser when I was drunk and I still couldn't believe it myself because the dresser is almost 7 times heavier than me. That what also happened to yuri. He could lift Chris, or Viktor, or anyone else as long as he is drunk and that's nothing to do with his usual self.
And it's completely different when viktor and yuri doing stammi vicino he was VERY NORMAL and SOBER. You can prove me wrong this time.
And yes I can't believe the length I go to prove my self for this neither ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yuuri does have a baby face and his on and off 'demeanor' also changes our perception of his looks. Whilst he may look young, in this doujin he progressively got younger and younger (we got a bit off tracked lol). He literally de-ages as you read.
Pg1 mangago.me/read-manga/yuri_on_ice_dj_living_legend_to_dousei_seikatsu/mf/c001/2/ notice Yuuri's height. Then compare it Victor's in mangago.me/read-manga/yuri_on_ice_dj_living_legend_to_dousei_seikatsu/mf/c001/3/ then compare it to mangago.me/read-manga/yuri_on_ice_dj_living_legend_to_dousei_seikatsu/mf/c001/8/. He shrunk. Yuuri doesn't have his skates on pg 3 cuz if he did his height wouldve have been equal to victor's.(〜￣△￣)〜
Then in mangago.me/read-manga/yuri_on_ice_dj_living_legend_to_dousei_seikatsu/mf/c001/19/ Yuuri loses years in his life. he looks 16 here. And finally here mangago.me/read-manga/yuri_on_ice_dj_living_legend_to_dousei_seikatsu/mf/c001/22/. He has now lost 10 years of his face dermatologist hate him. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Yes, alcohol makes people think/make people stronger no doubts about that. But yeah I just can't comprehend why your reasoning on Yuuri's strength was just alcohol... He is an international athlete whilst he may have gained weight in comparison to his normal physical peak. My sister's boyfriend is a boxer and has the lankyness of Yuuri's physique and can lift 70+ kg sober? So please excuse me, cuz if I find it weird that you don't believe that Yuuri can lift Chris or Victor sober. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Lol the things you meantioned above prove that you don't know yuri very well, and you are not very observan person yourself. Yuri height is the same level with viktor's ears, and so far it's pretty consistent. what if I say yuri probably stepped into higher, or lower surface than viktor did. Yuri looked higher or lower only by few centimeters than what he supposed to. And it didn't show what yuri wears or what yuri stepped into, how could you be very sure yuri's shrunk? On p3 viktor leans a bit on yuri so yuri looks a bit higher, isn't that obvious???? And some people do look younger when they don't wear glasses. Yuri has baby face even with his glasses on. Take a good example of markiplier, compare when he wears glasses and when he doesn't. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ not everyone but some people do, don't make me repeat it.
I didn't say it's just all about alcohol ╮(￣▽￣)╭ but alcohol took a big part of yuri's super strength, the fact that yuri also an athlete himself.
Kinda silly question but do you know what is the difference between a boxer and an ice skater? Boxer focused on building strength when ice skater more focused on building flexibility, their exercise and outcome obviously different. Their level of strength also different. You can't let boxer does ice skating and ice skater does boxing. DUH.
if you still wondering about it, the last ep of stammi vicino proves it (again). The author wanted to let people see that viktor and yuri are equal (not about the height) but about their bond and role when at first yuri were taking the woman role and later viktor taking the woman role. But she didn't let viktor and yuri taking shift the role of lifting because that would be rather difficult or looks forced. You should know how real ice skating works. The difference in weight/build between the two partners, the more equal the height and build the more difficult it becomes. The height/weight of the partners has to be practically proportionate to the counter part. A pair who are the same height/weight or close to will find difficulty with certain elements. The guy needs a build that will provide adequate support for his partner and the girl should be proportionately balance between upper and lower body. Longer legs are ok but long torso and short legs are a no no as they are much harder to balance in lifts being top heavy. Weight and build in pairs is important factor. Heavy people are harder to lift and it isn't just the lifting but a heavier person is twice as difficult to rescue should a lift go wrong.That's why every pair ice skater or ice dance never pick bigger/higher lady than the male one. But yes PERHAPS, yuri could lift viktor. If the author wants to and abandoning the logic. Why not. LOL.
*Grabs Popcorn*
I just looked at my links again and I messed the pages up, whoops... This what I get for trying to make a coherent argument when I'm tired(￣∇￣")
Ok look, I don't think you completely understand points I was trying to say. Let's not make any assumptions here with 'what if he did this' etc. Since you pointed out that Victor was leaning towards Yuuri; Yes he looses some height. The general difference of Yuuri's and Victor's height is 173 cm & 185 respectively. Generally, the top of Yuuri's head would more or less only reach Victor's eyebrows. So compare pg 3-4 to 10 it's the same pose but if you straighten Victor's posture in 10 he becomes taller in comparison to pg4. This is why I said that Yuuri shrinks as you read THIS Dj. Not about IRL.(〜￣△￣)〜
My next point was that Yuuri's face becomes younger. Yes, some people will look older/younger if they wear glasses. But that is not the point I tried to tell you. The doujinka's Yuuri from pg 18 vs 19 he looks even younger. Now compare pg 19 & 22 you'll say that they don't have the same expression; but Yuuri's face DE-AGES. It's not even about the fact that 'he has a baby face' he literally looks 12 here. This is why I said that Yuuri's face turned shota. Maybe my wording wasn't clear enough, not that I blame you, I was pretty tired. but like I said not about IRL.
Though I agree comparing an Ice Skater to a boxer is pretty redundant and stupid of me. Yuuri is a professional and my sister's bf isn't- but my point was they both have THE SAME physique so it's possible for someone with Yuuri's build to lift someone like Victor/Chris- that was my point.
Can I just say this is one of the weirdest conversations I've had?
Yeah am tired too the fact that It was 3 am in the morning when I replied to your topic.
Lol I don't know man, I've been repeating and describing things over and over again but seems like you don't really get it. Idk if I should laugh or cry. I'm so not in the mood to explaining things but here I go.
"Let's not make any assumptions here with 'what if he did this' etc" I. Well I'm talking about possibilities, just like what you assumed "Yuuri doesn't have his skates on pg 3 cuz if he did his height wouldve have been equal to victor's.(〜￣△￣)〜" you are assuming he doesn't wear his skate cz none of these picture show he wears it or not. In my opinion he might wear it, Yuri and he rest of skaters usually wear the skate and it's cover as long as they are still in the stadium http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3623/pdkLIU.jpg and http://imageshack.com/a/img923/9616/CN6gjW.jpg. Also about the DJ I'd say yuri is jumping and bending his knee that's why he looked shorter even with his skate on? Why can't I assuming thing when there's no actual proof to clarify it? You are assuming yuri just magically shrinks and rejecting the reasons I've been trying to tell to you. And yet you are insisting and kept sending link this link that about how yuri is so different just by FEW CENTIMETERS and how he de-aged. I know you were trying to make me understand "its just the artist mistake, the one who made this DJ." Because that would be a bad news, mate. You'll go and read EVERY other dj, manga or watch anime and complaining about how their height is different by few centimeters or any small other things that bother you. Look at this scene http://imageshack.com/a/img922/1676/l8rIBJ.jpg compare with http://imageshack.com/a/img922/9674/JzF2sx.jpg and go complaining to MAPPA. Look at this dj http://imageshack.com/a/img922/6797/S8P1V1.jpg and go complain to the artist that's not how yuri height and build is. Go read another one http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7261/W1XdQM.jpg and complaint that's not how viktor and yuri's body proportion is. With that all being said, I come with one conclusion : you need to be more TOLERANT. Anyway in pg 10 didn't you see yuri leaning back a little bit?
"This is why I said that Yuuri shrinks as you read THIS Dj. Not about IRL.(〜￣△￣)〜" And what do you mean by IRL? The YURI ON ICE official anime or real person/world? because anime for sure isn't real so I kept thinking about anything real (My pair skating explanation for example)
And about yuri de-aging thing, the explanation almost the same with yuri's height. But I'll add some things, Yes yuri shows different expression, drooling like a baby and he doesn't wear his glasses. Also the main point is you looked at him at different perspective, from toe to head that makes his upper body, face and head looks smaller. I'm joining art class and that's how drawing perspective works. You can see when it come back to normal view http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7261/W1XdQM.jpg (last panel) yuri is back at his usual state. And again what do you mean by IRL? Markiplier this time???
"Yuuri is a professional and my sister's bf isn't- but my point was they both have THE SAME physique so it's possible for someone with Yuuri's build to lift someone like Victor/Chris- that was my point." So you say your sis bf is not professional so he doesn't need to workout, no exercise, and just sitting around or punching few thing and say "hey I'm boxer"? Like I said before "Boxer focused on building strength when ice skater more focused on building flexibility, their exercise and outcome obviously different. Their level of strength also different." So I'm sure your sis bf is also exercising and more focuses to build his strength, his strength is better than the one that trains for flexibility. Both trains for strength/flexibility too but that's not the main focus. Your sis bf could lift something more than 70 kg because he trains for gaining strength. Both yuri and your sis bf do train to gain strength but tell your sis bf to do salchow, flips, quad and flips against skater and tell yuri to lift 70Kg weight as long as he could and compare it with your sis bf time. Is the result different? And what's funny? Boxer punches with their ARMS. ice skater skates with their LEGS. THEY EVEN TRAIN FOR DIFFERENT PART OF BODY. Ofc your sis bf could lift 70kg + weight because he has stronger arms.
And yes it's so weird indeed...... so I'll just leave it here...... Bye.
Yeah am tired too the fact that It was 3 am in the morning when I replied to your topic.
Lol I don't know man, I've been repeating and describing things over and over again but seems like you don't really get it. Idk if I should laugh or cry. I'm so not in the mood to explaining things but here I go.
"Let's not make any assumptions here with 'what if he did this' etc" I. Well I'm talking about possibilities, just like what you assumed "Yuuri doesn't have his skates on pg 3 cuz if he did his height wouldve have been equal to victor's.(〜￣△￣)〜" you are assuming he doesn't wear his skate cz none of these picture show he wears it or not. In my opinion he might wear it, Yuri and he rest of skaters usually wear the skate and it's cover as long as they are still in the stadium http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3623/pdkLIU.jpg and http://imageshack.com/a/img923/9616/CN6gjW.jpg. Also about the DJ I'd say yuri is jumping and bending his knee that's why he looked shorter even with his skate on? Why can't I assuming thing when there's no actual proof to clarify it? You are assuming yuri just magically shrinks and rejecting the reasons I've been trying to tell to you. And yet you are insisting and kept sending link this link that about how yuri is so different just by FEW CENTIMETERS and how he de-aged. I know you were trying to make me understand "its just the artist mistake, the one who made this DJ." Because that would be a bad news, mate. You'll go and read EVERY other dj, manga or watch anime and complaining about how their height is different by few centimeters or any small other things that bother you. Look at this scene http://imageshack.com/a/img922/1676/l8rIBJ.jpg compare with http://imageshack.com/a/img922/9674/JzF2sx.jpg and go complaining to MAPPA. Look at this dj http://imageshack.com/a/img922/6797/S8P1V1.jpg and go complain to the artist that's not how yuri height and build is. Go read another one http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7261/W1XdQM.jpg and complaint that's not how viktor and yuri's body proportion is. With that all being said, I come with one conclusion : you need to be more TOLERANT or you'll just go bonkers over something you should just ignore. Anyway in pg 10 didn't you see yuri leaning back a little bit?
"This is why I said that Yuuri shrinks as you read THIS Dj. Not about IRL.(〜￣△￣)〜" And what do you mean by IRL? The YURI ON ICE official anime or real person/world? because anime for sure isn't real so I kept thinking about anything real (My pair skating explanation for example)
And about yuri de-aging thing, the explanation almost the same with yuri's height. But I'll add some things, Yes yuri shows different expression, drooling like a baby and he doesn't wear his glasses. Also the main point is you looked at him at different perspective, from toe to head that makes his upper body, face and head looks smaller. I'm joining art class and that's how drawing perspective works. You can see when it come back to normal view http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7261/W1XdQM.jpg (last panel) yuri is back at his usual state. And again what do you mean by IRL? Markiplier this time???
"Yuuri is a professional and my sister's bf isn't- but my point was they both have THE SAME physique so it's possible for someone with Yuuri's build to lift someone like Victor/Chris- that was my point." So you say your sis bf is not professional so he doesn't need to workout, no exercise, and just sitting around or punching few thing and say "hey I'm boxer"? Like I said before "Boxer focused on building strength when ice skater more focused on building flexibility, their exercise and outcome obviously different. Their level of strength also different." So I'm sure your sis bf is also exercising and more focuses to build his strength, his strength is better than the one that trains for flexibility. Both trains for strength/flexibility too but that's not the main focus. Your sis bf could lift something more than 70 kg because he trains for gaining strength. Both yuri and your sis bf do train to gain strength but tell your sis bf to do salchow, flips, quad and flips against skater and tell yuri to lift 70Kg weight as long as he could and compare it with your sis bf time. Is the result different? And what's funny? Boxer punches with their ARMS. ice skater skates with their LEGS. THEY EVEN TRAIN FOR DIFFERENT PART OF BODY. Ofc your sis bf could lift 70kg + weight because he got stronger arms.
And yes it's so weird indeed...... so I'll just leave it here...... Bye.
You can see when it come back to normal view http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7261/W1XdQM.jpg (last panel) yuri is back at his usual state. And again what do you mean by IRL? Markiplier this time??? Sorry wrong pic http://imageshack.com/a/img924/1141/mQkHZY.jpg
Yeah am tired too the fact that It was 3 am in the morning when I replied to your topic.
Lol I don't know man, I've been repeating and describing things over and over again but seems like you don't really get it. Idk if I should laugh or cry. I'm so not in the mood to explaining things but here I go.
"Let's not make any assumptions here with 'what if he did this' etc" I. Well I'm talking about possibilities, just like what you assumed "Yuuri doesn't have his skates on pg 3 cuz if he did his height wouldve have been equal to victor's.(〜￣△￣)〜" you are assuming he doesn't wear his skate cz none of these picture show he wears it or not. In my opinion he might wear it, Yuri and he rest of skaters usually wear the skate and it's cover as long as they are still in the stadium http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3623/pdkLIU.jpg and http://imageshack.com/a/img923/9616/CN6gjW.jpg. Also about the DJ I'd say yuri is jumping and bending his knee that's why he looked shorter even with his skate on? Why can't I assuming thing when there's no actual proof to clarify it? You are assuming yuri just magically shrinks and rejecting the reasons I've been trying to tell to you.
The sad thing about Yuuri bottoming is that some artists instantly turns him into a shota... he kept de-aging as the pages progress... It made me uncomfortable..