Well as someone from a "melting pot" country in Asia, I think some racism is needed in cases to better understand eachother, if we are never racist, none of our differences will be brought up, and we'll never fully understand eachother. I live in Malaysia and sometimes racist remark is how we meet people, and though rarely we get offended, usually we can end up talking about the issue and understanding what the sentence mean in the position of the receiver. Unless you talk about supremacy racism that's just silly.
Also actually many of the bad comment I read saying the comic is sick come from non romanticized rape, just pure abuse content, but instead of that being full blown fap material usually it's more emotional.
I do agree though both side there are people bringing stuff too far.
Yass, a brethren o/ Did you see recent update of Hidesato Kimura's work, many people are so mad about that LOL but they don't complain about Harada, just cause Kimura-sensei's work a bit more lowkey they think it gonna be happy... nah man think again
My apologies. Since this thread was started in mangago i thought we're talking about mangas in mangago.
Yeah, racism can lead to the promotion of racial awareness but when no one is listening it seems to add unnecessary hostility.
Oh, I don't let comments like that on the abuse manga bother me. Most of them I've seen have concerns about children reading it or the impact it'll have on society at large, which can easily be refuted by studies that have been done and making note that it is labeled for mature audiences. Or if they say it's gross, I reply "of course it is, that's why were reading it". I laugh at those comments and move along with my reading/commenting. The only ones I often see getting out of hand are the romanticized rape arguments.
Personally, I think it's because:
- The rising concern of rape in the west that the east just doesn't get
- In my case, I've understand how serious the issue after I graduated my major (psychology). Nowadays, it's hard to see romanticized rape without feeling conflicted.
- Still, my biggest problem with romanticized rape came after I became a professional writer. Romanticized rape is an 'easy way' for writers to gain attention or make things interesting in their books. The only rape I can appreciate in literature is the rape that is treated like it is a tragic crime.
Despite those reasons, I've only ever ranted about fictional rape ONCE in a writing forum I often visit and NEVER in manga sites. I mean, everyone come here for their guilty pleasure, not to have creative writing 101 or psychology 101. I also can enjoy a yaoi manga with rape, romanticized or not, in it; but I would never call mangas with romanticized rape as masterpieces.
... so yeah, that's my only beef with it.
*sigh* before an easterner get offended and thin my first criteria is racist, I have to add I'm an easterner too （￣へ￣）
I don't think it's racist, the East is more concerned with results than feelings, it's true.
Romanticized rape always comes across really stupid so I get when people get mad but well, it pushes some people's buttons but people complain about manga with rape where it is portrayed as bad and they get offended anyway.
No, my bad, the question is a bit too general, but I'm also including manga with description and obviously negative cover or name that people decide to read.
THAT; I actually agree with completely.
That's true, I'm thankful to be born in a country where some racism is acceptable honestly, at least I don't have a one track mind.
Maybe I don't read or care for enough manga with romanticized rape lol, so I mainly notice it on stuff that I actually find decent/realistic but indeed we do very much enjoy reading gross things o/ Good to see someone open minded
Btw, I think we all forgot to add that debating in a manga site really can't take you anywhere, especially on serious topics such as rape. The manga/anime lover community is very salty when it comes to critics toward their favorite mangas/animes - and before you think this is heavily offensive, I have to add I was guilty of being involved in unnecessary anime debates against reasonable critics when I was younger. I've seen maaaaany debates (or arguments, to be precise); I know how involved we can be.
The thing is, it's important to be able to appreciate different opinions while still being coherent on your own disagreement with it; but most importantly, it is best to leave the discussion pass its necessity. I completely agree that the problem on the rape debate is not about the preferences; both parties are in the wrong when they prolong the debate. I mean, eat a chicken nugget and visit another forum where serious discussion is more appreciated why don't you?
A "serious discussion" website is not likely to answer my question on why people complain about a topic that's in a story, especially if there is a warning beforehand of such content, I honestly doubt it would be a serious discussion forum if such people were there, since they do not put much thought to why such content exist, and are blinded by their own opinion which they believe to be right, akin to "god's words"
I post this question due to me honestly being confused why such thing happen, and people opinion on it, to turn this into serious discussion would not be able to answer my question. I can understand people don't like something, but to harass other people for liking something they don't like is so weird to me.
Ah sorry, I was actually addressing rape debaters to go to serious forums, not you. This is basically about our reactions to the presence of this topic in the forum and it's a chill interaction so far.
Absolutely right .people are on eachother's throat in those manga recently maybe it started because people think that love rape trope should not appear anymore because there are youngones here that read these mangs which are the most common comment that i have heard and then there are those which says fiction affect reality i haven't affected yet so i don't know about that much too and then there are from the other sides which are like don't like it dont read it which is annoying sometimes tbh .but the people that get affected are the ones that geniounly want to say something about the manga but they cant because of the whole fight .TBH i don't have problm with any kind of rape in a Yaoi be it love rape trope or realistic rape as long as i am.likong the story and the plot its fine with me (doesn't absolutely mean i don't have a problm with it in real life ) i think if you don't like something you should say your words in such a way that you are only speaking for yourself and not to involve other people in it .sometimes some people says manga like where rape or romantacize rape(more often) happens should not exist .but why is that who are we to say what should exist or what should not cause there are people out there who like to enjoy rape in their fantasy which then turn in to love .i am unable to understand the thought process of people which bothers me sometimes .i am sorry i am not good at english so there must be something here that i want to convey have not conveyed properly .
Your English is fine :) I guess in the end people complain because their concern go to far until unrealistic proportions, still I wish it's easier to enjoy a comic and meet other people who do.
I totally agree with what you say about speaking for only yourself, no matter the topic, many people refuse to believe in something because they never experienced it themselves.
Actually I have some behavioral disorder, so other than being unaffected by trauma, evidenced through my life on many occasions, and to a certain extent, romanticized rape still makes sense to me, so I always believe possibilities are endless.
I have some behavioral disorder, so other than being unaffected by trauma, evidenced through my life on many occasions, and to a certain extent, romanticized rape still makes sense to me, so I always believe possibilities are endless.
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I didn't quite understand what are you trying to say i am sorry ╥﹏╥
as you mention people speak for others, and sometimes they limit what is possible, I'm just speaking about my experience that sometimes romanticized rape does make sense, and it's possible to not have trauma due to abuse/rape etc
Ohhh thanku you are right .instead of pushing your thinking to other why not try to understand their POV and opinions and respect that too.it will be good for both sides but its impossible nowdays .i tent to.ignore comments now i am a kind of person who likes to comment and hear people talking to eachother nicely and share eachother opinions with out hurting people but people get so offended now i don't know even what to say ps i have anxiety disorder like extreme anxiety disorder so when people start to bash eachother and make pointless theories i cant take it aah its been so long since i have share my thoughts with someone thanku so much i felt rally nice (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I wish I could be more like you haha, but I always end up looking at the comment because I get too curious :(
Yeah it does wear a person out to be exposed to pointless fights, especially over trivial matter, and no, thank you! For joining the discussion :) I've seen some pretty weird theories ppl make about ppl with the same or similar disorder as me, they start to get really unrealistic, but when you try to explain how it's realistic they start getting very defensive ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ
This has been confusing me for a long time, but why do people who are easily triggered by rape, incest, abuse, and such topic read an entire genre of comics where such topics are prevalent? Sometimes they get warnings but they decide to ignore and then complain about it afterwards... Why???