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hmmmm idk ab the morals of that one

bunnytoof October 17, 2024 10:58 pm

fate/reincarnation stories r weird. it seems like this one is under the impression that the moral question: is someone the same person if they reincarnate? isn’t a thing and kind of disregards it. ppl r a product of life experiences, circumstances, and coincidence. i think it’s a little stupid to try to hold this dude accountable for smthin his hundreds of years old self did. like is he REALLY the same person? can u hold him accountable regardless of that? do the crimes even belong to him? maybe this is a little deep for a gay sex manhwa but i’m annoying…. i just wish they dived into these things more. he clearly isn’t the same person, just look at his behavior. it just seems a bit naive? if that makes sense? the whole manhwa is a bit odd w reincarnation. i wanted to see the struggle w the mc and ml and how the mc’s old self isn’t him anymore and how the ml needs to adapt to that but after s1 they kinda scrapped that amazing idea. it’s a bit lazy. the manhwa is still fun but is pretty shallow.

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    thisislele October 17, 2024 11:04 pm

    it’s different for him bc there wasn’t a moment in all of those years where he actually started over as a new person. he kept all of his memories the entire time, when he died he just got a new body. he may have learnt more over time but he had the same feelings bc he stayed the same person in his mind.

    bunnytoof October 17, 2024 11:07 pm
    it’s different for him bc there wasn’t a moment in all of those years where he actually started over as a new person. he kept all of his memories the entire time, when he died he just got a new body. he ma... thisislele

    my point still stands tho. i’d argue that memories DONT make the person. experiences do. my memories from 10 years ago don’t dictate who i am today, and it’s the same for him. after hundreds of years it would be unbelievably naive and simpleminded for the author to conclude: he’s the same person. ppl r always capable of change, and no amount of “memories” (from someone else) will dictate that changing. anyway that’s my little rant LOLOL

    GalezOasis October 17, 2024 11:12 pm

    No cause I was thinking the same thing, if bl manhwas are gonna go down the reincarnation route, I can only pray that turn it out well. I do agree, they had so much potential and than forgot about the lore. I love the lore (don't get me wrong I'm always down for almost 24/7 smutty scenes) but I love lore and this manhwa didn't exactly hit it like I thought it was going to be

    bunnytoof October 17, 2024 11:13 pm
    my point still stands tho. i’d argue that memories DONT make the person. experiences do. my memories from 10 years ago don’t dictate who i am today, and it’s the same for him. after hundreds of years it w... bunnytoof

    i also think i should add: it’s scientifically proven that memories change the more u remember them. he likely doesn’t remember the exact events that occurred which raises even MORE moral questions. memories r NOT reliable at all

    bunnytoof October 17, 2024 11:13 pm
    No cause I was thinking the same thing, if bl manhwas are gonna go down the reincarnation route, I can only pray that turn it out well. I do agree, they had so much potential and than forgot about the lore. I l... GalezOasis

    yea i feel u :,( i was kind of hoping the mc wasn’t the reincarnated lover LOLOL i love drama XD

    thisislele October 17, 2024 11:17 pm
    my point still stands tho. i’d argue that memories DONT make the person. experiences do. my memories from 10 years ago don’t dictate who i am today, and it’s the same for him. after hundreds of years it w... bunnytoof

    people are always capable of change, and losing their memories. but that doesn’t just make them a new person and that doesn’t absolve them of anything nor does it mean he isn’t responsible for his past actions. it’s clear from the story that his multiple lives didn’t change him bc he was still waiting for mc to reborn and still felt the same way about him when he was.

    Ottarantology October 17, 2024 11:22 pm

    I feel like it's still the same person because its the same soul in the same body and the feelings he holds for the mc is still there along with his past actions. He clearly never connected with his past lives the way he did with his first and he seems to hold the same values he did since the beginning towards the dragon so he should be held accountable.In the beginning neither the mc nor the ml thought the mc was the dragons past lover the mc was just doing it to keep the blessing of the dragon, so the whole "im a different person now" wasn't an idea they scrapped it was more like it wasn't an idea at all.To me this manhwa is an alternative way to look at the whole reincarnation trope where there is angst but not in the usual way

    thisislele October 17, 2024 11:29 pm
    I feel like it's still the same person because its the same soul in the same body and the feelings he holds for the mc is still there along with his past actions. He clearly never connected with his past lives ... Ottarantology

    agreed. people who reincarnate can end up being different people it’s just that some of these characters are not. like that other psycho who tried to kill mc again because of what resulted from their first life despite being reborn multiple times.

    bunnytoof October 18, 2024 12:03 am
    I feel like it's still the same person because its the same soul in the same body and the feelings he holds for the mc is still there along with his past actions. He clearly never connected with his past lives ... Ottarantology

    that’s a good point! i don’t agree w him holding the same ideals tho bc him burning the dragon books could have multiple meanings. i do think it’s worth looking at ur perspective tho. i think it might come down to personal views on reincarnation? it’s always fun to see multiple interpretations! i will say tho the “same soul” is always iffy to me. what even is a soul? is it only memories? or is it deeper? to me this story rly emphasized memories and that’s where my main problem comes from. maybe i’m just frustrated bc they never really defined “soul”. it felt too vague to me. maybe i’m just too logical XD i feel like i need to reread from a spiritual perspective

    bunnytoof October 18, 2024 12:05 am
    people are always capable of change, and losing their memories. but that doesn’t just make them a new person and that doesn’t absolve them of anything nor does it mean he isn’t responsible for his past ac... thisislele

    hmm maybe. i do think tho that his case is 10000000x more complex than many in the comments make it. i don’t think i can safely say he is still a “bad person”. we haven’t seen enough of him currently to actually dictate that. i think a lot of opinions r influenced by seeing his “bad” side first. maybe the author will explore his new self more? tbh there’s not enough info to rly determine if he’s the same.