You use the wrong word, if you going to be mean be right.
she's over the age of pubescent,
And I think she barely fits for Hebephilia as that is 11 to 14.
Is there an age gap yes, but if an age gap makes you a pedophile, then why do we have designation of suger daddy and cougar?
Sugar babies and cougars are both above 18 and thus can consent. She is under the age of 18 while he is much older than 18, making her unable to consent and thus making him fall under the broad term of pedophile and groomer. I think this is a really weird comment to make dude. Age gaps are not what I'm critiquing here, I'm critiquing pedo shit in an otherwise pretty good manga and her lack of consent in both her relationship and in becoming queen
And what im saying is that you water down the creep factor of pedophile when she not a kid, cool your hard line in anything under 18 is a baby, but in real life the phile has a real age range and if you going to water down the word for your convince then us the right one
Bro she was 14 and while pedophile is a broad term with specifications within it, using it as a general term for those under 18 is true to its definition. Like I think its more creepy how ur insisting she's not a kid when he literally first meets her when she is extremely malnourished and 14 and he clearly likes her from when they first meet.
it never gives there age, and he's the crown princes twin, also she's like 16 and he's 19(?) and his TWIN is her sisters class mate and fiancee
Thats not his twin, that's his younger brother. His twin is the crown prince who is much older, late 20s at least. Her age is also mentioned as she enters school at 14 which is when she meets him (and where he is her teacher, implying he is much older, old enough for her to conflate him as a father figure). She graduates at 18 so I guess they don't get together until she's 17 but still illegal and is grooming (and also makes him a pedo).
did you not read chap 10 ? her sister is the crow princess thus her betrothed is the crown prince, and he's still in school with her, also give chap where it say's age please cause i reread it and i couldn't find any.
and if you see grooming in a teacher helping a student to get out of a shitty life, you are one sheltered prinsses
No the sister's fiancee is a candidate for crown prince against the other prince who is also blonde and much older which is the twin to the ML. He would have been crown prince in the end had the ML not been chosen. I don't know specifically which chapter it mentions her age but its an early one when she is applying to the school since she needs to wait until she's 14 to apply. I would re-read it to find out but ngl I hated what they did with the story so I don't really feel compelled to re-read.
Also yes it is grooming in this situation. If he had helped her get out of her home life and that's where the relationship ended or if he adopted her or something, then it's not grooming. But he was attracted to her from when they met, and ended up marrying her in the end so that makes the fact that he asserts himself as a trustworthy adult-figure and then removes her from her family to then be by her side constantly as her private tutor very disgusting. He didn't do it out of the kindness of his own heart but to get with her. And we know this because other students find him scary since he's not known to get close with anyone, so the fact that he selected her and then treated her as special to foster a close relationship until shifting it to a romantic relationship makes this pretty textbook grooming. Our mc even acknoledges this when he confesses that she saw him at first as a father figure and then as some sort of messiah who lifted her out of her awful life, making their relationship extremely unbalanced. He has so much authority over her its not even funny. He's older than her and meets her when she's a kid and he's and adult, he's her teacher and private tutor, he's a prince and eventually the crown prince, and he's extremely powerful in magic. I literally can't think of a more clear power imbalance and textbook case of grooming.
you make it seem like any help a student gets from a teacher is a teacher trying to get in their pant's.
also he only give her hint's the 'privet tutter' was a cover so that her parents wouldn't find out and jail her in the house, the duke and principal were there to.
if you not going to back up your argument just cues you don't feel compelled to re read it then why are you fighting over what other think on you comment?
A student getting help from a teacher is not about a teacher getting into their pants until it is as we see in this manga. No responsible adult who actually cares about their underage student's well-being would then marry that student.
Yes him being her private tutor is a cover but he also is her private tutor and gets private access to her alone without anyone to interfere if he did something inappropriate like, I dont know, fall in love with her and then use his position to make her feel the same way?
The duke and principal are also weirdos for letting her get with the teacher, but I'm more focused on the main story that pushes a plot about a girl gaining autonomy only to have it fall through in the end where she is shackled to a pedo and forced to be queen.
I looked back at the manga since you want hard evidence. In chapter 2 it says she's under the age of 16 which is also where she mentions she views the teacher as a father-figure which portrays him as significantly older than her if she could see him as her dad. She also says in chapter 3 that dating a teacher would be really weird due to the age-gap so that further aids in my point of him grooming her into accepting it. In chapter 4 we start to see him flirting with her which she doesn't pick up on and she's still under 16 at that point. He even wants to leave the country with her and is serious about that so he's already planning here to run away with her and marry her. In chapter 5 he encourages her to get over her first love and acts jealous of it showing at this point she still isn't interested in him but he likes her. In chapter 6 she calls him her savior showing that she sees him as infallible and thus makes her weaker to his advances. She is also still calling him professor. When he's about to confess to her he mentions first meeting her and how she acted like a kid at an orphanage who didn't trust adults further showcasing their differences in age by placing him as an adult and her as a kid. When she mentions to him she saw him as a father he calls himself old and she even seems doubtful of her own feelings, making it feel like she is being led on by him. It wasn't even until like 3 panels before the confession that she showcased any romantic feelings towards him and it was only in that she liked how he looked when he didn't dress fancy. The quotes she remembers from him also point towards grooming. "You're so mature," "You'd be a catch if you married early" "Are you not interested in marriage" "You can always rely on me." This is Noel realizing she loves him but the quotes we get are him pressuring her to fall in love with him as quick as possible before she might consider leaving him. Even during the confession she doesn't understand her feelings for him since she has only liked someone once before and has no one else in her life but him. We don't actually know what he said to her but she accepted him feelings by the end of chapter 6. At the start of chapter 7 we learn others were orchestrating their relationship to tie the prince down which shows extremely questionable morals from everyone around Noel and further shows how she had no choice but to fall for him, with every trusted person in her life pushing them together all to make him king. We also see the king for the first time who looks super old and he was young when he had the ML so add that towards points of him being much older. OMG he's even older than I thought. The king has been bedridden for 30 years and we know he wasn't when the ML was born so the ML is at least 30 years old. Also even though they are now dating she still calls him professor since she views their relationship as one of a trusted adult despite now dating. She hasn't even graduated but he is pushing for marriage and assuming she will marry him by saying the moment she graduates they should marry and go on their honeymoon, so he's also kinda pushing for sex the moment she becomes legal like most groomers do. She feels super pressured by this too but he just keeps pressing for it. One of the princes calls Jules, the ML's twin, an old man, further solidifying that compared to Noel and the prince who is 4 years older than her, the twin princes are old. Ok wait now its saying the ML is 24 which contradicts what it said earlier in the manga but ok guess he's 24. Still way too old for her even if they met when he was about 20 and she was about 14. Makes me think she's even younger than 14 at the start just because she viewed him as a father age. Chapter 10 he says it was hard to say anything as her teacher but that he's only ever loved her which is nasty.
I mean I'm not sure what else to say other than that he fits the legal definition of a pedophile and a groomer. I care only because for some reason you keep arguing this with me. Like if you like the manga, that fine, but I'm only pointing out something that is easily observable and that others in the comments have also mentioned. The story would have been fantastic if he either wasn't her teacher and instead a fellow student or if he became a father to her and adopted her and then she became the queen chosen by the spirits which honestly I think would be much cooler than the story we got.
and what i fell is that you life is so sheltered that you see shit that is weird for no reason.
he didn't interfere with the ass hat that admired that he only like her cues he could be her side piece, that ditched her as soon as everyone learn she legally cut tie's with her family
he also had been planing to leave long before he met her, this is why his brother throw the fit at the counsel meeting and used the spirit to trap the brother, at no point did the teacher tell her she had to stay and be his queen, she choose that, and if you say that's grooming i think your really fixated on him being a bad guy for no other reason then you don't like this manga, cause he's done nothing to force her hand
if him being the only older male in her life that's decent, of course she going to think of any of them as a dad, but not in love? no if you don't know love how the hell are you going to know if filial love and romantic love are different. he stood to the side and let her spread her wings. if said comments of
"You're so mature," she is cues her family fucked her up
"You'd be a catch if you married early" they were taking about the ass hat that drooped her when she cut tie's with her family
"Are you not interested in marriage" hell i got this question as soon as i told people i wasn't interested in dating, and i think that's where he was coming from after the ass hat
"You can always rely on me." a statement
were any of these said by a younger boy, older woman would you take them as they are witch is statements of the situation they are in
he is a teacher so calling him that make's sense its a title and in the frame of the manga, you know as school, is be weirder if she was asked to call his name.
ok so he 24ish and she 14ish when he see her for the first time, he call's it love at first sight, yes it weird but i see no pushing of his feeling's on to her, he gets her a job that is paying her he helps her cut of contact with her family when she steps forward to do so, then help's find a family that could be her backing so that her family cant hurt her after the fact, he point's out she'd be a good wife yes but that was in a conversation about ass hat not him or any wedding with a faceless groom, and yes his brother is a prick but he is a prince and is going to do what is best for his people weather he fucks over his brothers plane to leave said country or use his newly discovered weakness to get him to talk to the spirit. she could have walked away after that but she didnt, and give that the manga start's as her telling this as a bed time story to her child i can see why the more action pact stuff is at the forefront and the romance is not
the manga is shaded gray like life is, if you want to make it black and white then you need to rail on all of it not just the romance
Such potential wasted on a pedophile "romance" and trapping her in the position of queen when all she wants is to travel freely