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Where did JJK rape Kim?

Because, if I remember, a contract with payment and when the party agrees, that is consent.

multiple times dan has said no and stop when engaging in sex w jjk, consent is always allowed to be revoked during sex and jjk never respected that.

When? I’ve read this from day one? When did Dan say stop in any kind of way and JJ didn’t?

your weird asf

Man, we want actual chapters. You can say this all you want, but absolutely nobody has been giving any chapter evidence.

Thanks for the compliment. You can say that all you want, but it doesn't answer the question. I'm not saying that what JJK did to him wasn't terrible (it WAS bad). However, what Kim Dan did was PROSTITUTION, which is PAID SEX. Kim Dan had plenty of times to cancel this contract. And he did! Good for Dan!!

I didn't see this from the other comment (which again, gave no references to the chapters), so I will post it here:

if consent is to be revoked during sex, did Dan give him back the money? Because this is an agreement and contract. Otherwise, JJK is going to sue. And he KNEW THIS because he started giving money back to JJK after he left. Why didn't he leave for good when he supposedly said "no" during sex? Why instead was the tipping point when Kim Dan realized there was no sustenance in their relationship (discarding gift, no trust after spray)? Because he was in a paid contract (prostitution) and was fulfilling the agreement.

You all act like this is a cut-and-dried matter, but in reality, the situation is more complex thant you want to think. Kim Dan agreed to a contract for sex. He could have just ended it like when he did in chapter 52-53. He's shown that he can.

Kim Dan is in a pornwha. He isn't smart, and he is dumb enough to keep following JJK's sexual abuse (not rape) for money. The prostitutes whom JJK discarded or left warned Dan. Did he leave? No. When it got too much, did he quit his job where he had to see his sexual abusers every day? No. So, do you know what he could have done if he wasn't in a pornwha and did want to leave the cycle?

He could have taken up another job (streaming, teaching, part-time). Asked for help on Kickstarter or any donation website. Took a loan like a regular adult in this situation. Work to get promotions or higher education and training. Asked the hospital for an itemized bill and ask for a discount to be applied. Ask his insurance why his rates are so ass and get a different one.

But instead, he chose the route that he knew would leave him with some scars. He wanted the money fast and easy. It proved not to be easy, but it was fast, and that's why he stuck.

JJK is a sack of shit but he is not a rapist. This was under a mutual contract. And if Kim Dan really wanted to leave, he just needed to say no and pay back the money he received for the session.

brother just turn yourself into prison wtf do u mean u don't know when jaekhyung raped Kim Dan, that's the only type of sex they have.

Just because Kim Dan agreed to having sex for money does not mean Jaekhyung can treat him like fucking shit

Consent isn't a fucking blood contract. Kim Dan crying and begging for Jaehyung to stop is him revoking consent and Jaekhyung not stopping is rape. If you can't understand that then idk why you're reading a story, you've got bigger issues to work out.

holy yap! did you not read then manhwa.? kim dan left and yk what jaek did? search for him and immediately asked to have sex. believe what you wanna believe but jaekyung is a rapist and a contract doesn’t define if he is or not. kim dan is stupid but he was only doing it for his grandma. he was bribed with money oml

Did you not read your own reply?
"JJK asked..."
And what did Kim Dan say? "Yes."
Did you know Kim Dan can get a restraining order if this were a normal, sensible manwha? Or call the cops? But you guys act like Kim Dan has no backbone. He AGREED TO THE SEX. THIS IS CONSENSUAL.

He wasn't bribed, he LITERALLY AGREED TO THE CONTRACT. Let me write out EXACTLY what was said in chapter 2.
Kim Dan:" I Didn't come here to do that kind of thing!"
JJK: "My Physical Therapist? So I guess you don't need that five grand after all. If you're not gonna do it, you get out, too. What I actually need is sex, not some massage."

Kim Dan In this thoughts: "What? Get out? Just like that? No way!... I did think it was a bit sketchy, but the thought of all that cash just took over. How stupid can I possibly be?... Five thousand dollars is too much to just turn down and walk away... If I can get through just this once."

Kim Dan: "...You have to keep your promise. The five thousand dollars."

JJK: "Of course."

JJK LITERALLY GAVE HIM AN OUT. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RAPE??? At this point, YOU are the issue. Anything and everything is now rape under your specific random conditions. It's not the official definition now of simply giving consent (rape = the absense of consent in sex), it's whatever YOU believe it is, right? Right? Because that's why I'm reading.

I was curious also about what was said in Chapter 62-63. So here is more evidence to support he did not rape Kim Dan.

Chapter 62

Kim Dan: "After all, you initially took me in to use me as a sex toy, paying me 5000 dollars for each night. Yeah, you should have just been honest form the start. It'd be better for me to sleep with you and make ten grand more. So let's have sex."

No restraining order, no cops called, JJK did not force him to, he just kept nagging him like a child who didn't get what he wanted.
Supported by Chapter 63: "I said I didn't want to, but you kept insisting. I did exactly what you wanted." NOT FORCED!!! KIM DAN SAYS HIMSELF THAT HE DID WHAT HE WANTED. Kim Dan says JJK kept INSISTING. ASKING. Kim Dan said NO. NO CONSENT. but guess what? THEY DIDN'T DO IT WHEN HE SAID NO. Kim Dan had enough of him asking. but instead of getting legal action, he does the pornwha method and does it without emotion. JJK now focuses on the words "I'm just a tool you go to when you're in the mood for sex."

that literally proves my point abt the bribery but wtv so pressed lmao

yap yap yap yap yap yap it is abt what I BELIEVE right? right? i believe that jaekyung is a sexual assaulter and a narcissist and that kim dan is a complete idiot (⌒▽⌒) calm tf down doing everything to defend this wack ass manhwa

not doing a deep dive but jst went to chap 12, maybe 14 too i think. overall their relations isn’t consensual period. if you think otherwise that is pretty terrifying

12 to start

Okay then.

Bribery: • persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement. Google
• persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement. Merriam Webster.
•to try to make someone do something for you by giving them money, presents, or something else that they want cambrige.

JJK did not influence him. He told him actively what he wanted and told him to hit the road if he didn't want to. There was no persuasion. I like cambrige's definition of persuasion: to make someone do or believe something by giving them a good reason to do it or by talking to that person and making them believe it:

Once again, read it. "You get out, too" is what he said and left it at that. Kim Dan could have said no. Instead. He AGREED TO THE TERMS aka this is PROSTITUON. Chapter 63 also has Kim Dan saying this is sex work.
"the practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment."

There was no bribery. The evidence is there in what I posted. If it were a bribe, he would have been begging Kim Dan to have sex. But he DIDNT. HE COULD HAVE LITERALLY ANYONE. Season 2 is when JJK tries to persuade Kim Dan to have sex. But Kim Dan says no multiple times, and the gives in (again, consent because he said yes instead of calling police and keeping his no decision).

Also, I am calm, lmao. I'm just writing what I think. You're the one getting extremely rude, mocking what I say like a 14 year old who can't keep it straight. Maybe you're not mature enough for this manwha?

sure wtv im not mature enough for it because i wouldn’t wanna put so much time n effort analyzing every little thing to prove that jaekyung isnt a rapist and that the contract is consent. every time (probably not every time) kim dan says no, jaekyung brings up money. obviously to cause kim dan to overthink it and give in for the damn money. idk abt you but to me that feels like manipulation. especially w the money, so it gives off bribing vibes. its honestly concerning for how much effort your putting into this argument over a problematic manhwa. i do apologize for being rude though.

Finally, some good fuckign evidence. Chapter 12.
Kim Dan has a drink, but knows he is there to have sex with JJK. He says "stop that's enough" when JJK fingers him, and he promptly stops. Kim Dan saw the toy he was going to use. JJK used it during sex and was about to finish. Kim Dan does say stop right at JJK's high (he finishes less than 10 panels later). Kim Dan answers JJK saying he hates it, and passes out. It's hard to call this rape when he does stop their session after he passes out and he says "You can't even handle 1 round?" when he wakes up. This indicates he didn't go any further.

You could make a case that it is rape when he doesn't immediately stop. If you want to call him a rapist there, then I concede, this is actually a good chapter to cite it. But when I look at chapter 13, this is the conversation afterward:

JJK: "I'm not asking for any special techniques in the bedroom, but you at least need to handle me."

Kim Dan: "I'm sorry sir, I'll do better!" (Accepting the terms, and it sounds after this as he talks about the experience, he doesn't regard it as forced or rape).

Again, it is a contract. So if he says stop, then Kim Dan will need to forfeit some of the money or pay it back. In this case, Kim Dan did not pay back what was due (he did not handle one round according to JJK), yet JJK still wants to pay him in advance.

In chapter 13, and as an apology (please remember his past, a lot of people IRL don't like to aplogize or know how), he cooks for Kim Dan and calls in a doctor to see him. Additionally, the toy is never used again throughout the series.

Okay, then don't. I write because I'm bored. I'm sorry it's it's a chore to you to engage in an conversation using facts or evidence to prove your points. He literally said one sentence. That's not making him overthink. That's Kim Dan's issue, not JJK's. JJK literally gave him an out. How is it maniputive to give an out? Kim Dan is the one falling for JJK even though there were no feelings attached until near when Kim Dan gives him a gift. This is not bribery or manipulation.

LMAO see sex workers as people challenge lvl: impossible.

they deserve rights and not to be fucking raped, stalked, and harassed you pos

No, I do see them as people. I don't know where you're getting any of what I said.

Kim Dan thinks everything is okay after chapt 13 which it isn't. But because HE AGREED to these terms and then later said he would "do better," this is effectively saying "I agree to your terms". If he didn't agree and maybe pushed back, you wouldn't be saying this. Did you not read what JJK said chapter 13? He said he wasn't asking for anything special.

Kim Dan could have used that moment to ADVOCATE FOR HIMSELF. He could have said, "Okay. No sex toys, no roughness, no xyz. I want this to be vanilla. That falls within your terms of nothing special" But instead he agreed to the terms. JJK doesn't see anything wrong with this. You know why? Because he had plenty of partners. Some people like being "abused" and hit, others like to be treated gently. And because KD is now agreeing to the terms, JJK feels like he can do anything. He's given him multiple outs thus far, but KD is so blinded by money (NOT MANIPULATIVE. JJK already said to him that he can leave whenever he wants. This is called greed, guys, and it doesnt matter what the use is for) that HE HIMSELF, and nobody else is forcing him to believe this, BUT HE BELIEVES HE HAS TO DO THIS TO KEEP GETTING 5K.

And since chapter 2, Kim Dan has not shown nor told JJK explicitly that he would like to be treated with love and respect. If he had just said he was getting attached (past chapter 13, KD catches feelings after JJK "apologizes" with his actions), i feel like JJK would not continue the contract. He wants a sex worker, not a lover.

If the guy had some fucking backbone and put his foot down during the multiple outs JJK Gave him, it wouldn't be like this. JJK, too, is an ass for not trusting Dan during the spray scene and for rejecting his gift. For being so hard on KD in and out of sex. Kpopstan's evidence for rape is quite strong, but again, KD did not even think to report for rape or quit the agreement, pay back the money for not fully doing round 1... Sex workers have rights, but they are also under a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT. And the fact Kim Dan lets JJK add to this contract with a his weird sex fantasies is concerning. It's his desperation for money that is quick and easy to make that is the problem.

Stalking is terrible. Harassing is terrible. And I'm not saying it isn't bad, nor have I ever said I wasn't bad. The initial post was about how JJK thinks all of the shit he's done is the right way to do things. And it is REASONABLE because he comes from a background where no reason or socially acceptable good actions are taught. Therefore he does have an excuse but it DOES NOT absolve him from the consequences coming his way.

And if Kim Dan TRULY wants to end this, he would put a restraining order and call the cops. He wouldn't have taken the picture with someone who knows JJK. He wouldn't have given in to sex so easily if his resolve was burning so much to get back at him. But because this is a pornwha, he has to be absolute most dumbest motherfucker out there for this decision. Somehow, that dumbest decision to not react right during that c63 scene has made JJK start a reflection process that turned into a redemption process toward ch70 after the got so concerned about KD drowning.

JJK even hugged KD, which is out of his character and something he hadn't really done with anyone else. I think he learned to do this after watching KD with his grandma.

Mark my words. He may be trying to redeem himself or going through a period of change, but this does NOT mean that KD has to forgive him (but he will) or accept his offers. This is the consequences of his actions.