you know i really dont like the fact that there are so many yaoi couples where most of them arent even gay BUT that still doesnt mean that a person who identifies as straight cant fall in love with a person of the same sex. you cant choose who you fall in love with, and thats reality. im not saying that yaoi is realistic at all but a straight man CAN fall in love with another man. just because they have never felt any attraction towards the same sex before or had any experience doesnt mean anything. love can surprise you. i do think that there should be less straight guys in yaoi though
yes i absolutely agree that you can fall in love with anyone but it just seems like so many manga artist tend to make their once straight characters gay even later on in the future, like you see how they develop into becoming gay where they tend to stop liking the opposite sex and can only be satisfied with the same sex.
well whats wrong with that? its better than where in some manga they continue to claim that theyre straight even though theyre dating/attracted to someone of the same sex. thats what bugs me the most, rather than them just being straight to begin with. not everyone is born gay. hell you can be straight for half your life and suddenly start to feel attraction towards the opposite sex. nothing is impossible
Tbh I find it even more thrilling with situations like that, it's boring when a plot is so down to earth
Tbh your sexuality is something you chose. You can be straight and then start liking other guys/girls, and you CAN chose who you fall in love with. Most people don't even know their sexuality until they are older. You can just say "Oh, since your straight you can only like the opposite sex for the rest of your life." Liking a certain gender is your decision it isn't something you're born with because when you're born you dont even know about that type of stuff because you're an infant.
And the writer never said the baker was straight, you never see him hitting on girls at all. You just assumed he was straight and tbh anyone would.
it still isn't proven that sexuality is something you are either born with or something you choose, but their is many facts and evidence that say that sexuality is something you're born with. Sexuality is determined in part by specific genes and in part by androgen levels in the womb. and yes most people dont know their sexuality till they're older but thats bc we dont start feeling sexual attraction to another person till we hit puberty. i know that their are people out there with different opinions about sexuality and i respect your opinion that you think that you're sexuality is something a person can choose but i have never met someone who has told me that their sexuality is something they choose, i was raised up an an environment and always told by so many people that they and all of us were born with our sexuality and born with our gender, that its not something we choose, its what we already are.
i don't mean to hate or anything, but why do people always say you can't choose who you fall in love with? There isn't some divine being or gene in your body that picks your lover for you. And even people who say they love each other, sometimes, fall out of love with each other (as with divorce, break ups and such). So as a legit question, why do people say you can't choose who you fall in love with?
From my view point people do choose, and they choose based off of compatibility or likable characteristics and features in the other person. This goes for same sex couples as well, which is what yaoi uses. They fall in love regardless of previous orientation due to a likable trait/feature or characteristic in the other person. Their relationship thus then flourish from that. Again, no hate on those who say "we were born this way, or we don't choose who to love." I just want to know why people think that. (⌒▽⌒)
i totally agree that you can choose to love whoever you want, but in many yaoi manga i get theses vibes where the author forces a character to love another character even in many bl movies there are so many scenes where "if you dont love me (in a sexual way not just brotherly love) i will leave you" and ofc if you were put into this kinda situation and you dont want to loose that person you love, you go along with them and start loving them in a non-brotherly way. and i find that these kinds of "falling in love with" wrong. im not saying every yaoi is like this but ive come across these situations so many times. and ofc after all that is done and the person is now in love with the other character it still comes out to be sweet but the way it had to happen isnt something i find right. when people say that they were "born this way" its what they feel and believe, its the same as the phrases "you were born to do this" or "it was fate". i guess it all just depends on the persons belief.
sexual orientation is something you are born with. You may discover it later in life, but you can't change/develop it.
Not necessarily. If there are indeed genes that always determine it, how would you explain someone gay being born in a family of straights? What about society? Now that homosexuality is acceptable in certain societies, people who fall in love with those of the same gender can do so. There are so, so many more of such people than there were, say, 500 years ago when society was different. It's impossible that the same amount of people as today would also have had different sexual orientations back then - why, most people weren't even completely aware of what different orientations exist! Compare an accepting country today with conservative/discriminatory countries, and you'll see the same thing. That being said, while some studies do point towards sexuality being something you're born with, there are ABSOLUTELY NO studies that enforce that it isn't something you can discover and develop later on in life. There are no absolutes when it comes to romantic or sexual attraction.
"how would you explain someone gay being born in a family of straights?" umm lmao bro, its the same thing as a child who has freckles while the rest of the family doesn't have freckles, or a child being born with brown hair while everyone else in their family is has blonde hair. genes can show up anywhere or anytime. and yes 500 years ago things were different but lets think about this for a second, theres a guy who's in love with a girl but cant tell her this bc he feels shy or embarrassed or he thinks that his friends will make fun of him for liking this girl so he decides to just keep it to himself and not say anything, so 500 years ago some guy liked another guy but couldn't say anything bc it wasn't accepted back then, its the same situation. but there was always homosexuality going on, there was even homosexuality in the bible. and yes people back then didn't know that different orientations exist but im pretty sure that back then, many people would've known that they didn't feel right liking the opposite gender and that they could never accept the way they felt bc society told them it was wrong, they might've not know what "liking the same gender" was called but they knew that liking the same gender was what they preferred. they weren't aware of different sexual orientations but they were aware of how they felt. and i totally agree that a person can discover their sexual orientation but i believe many people are born being that way and dont discover it till later on in life.
I don't think every person who likes the same sex is born that way, some but not all. Some just fall in love and that's that. But who knows, do what you want.
Although there is some evidence(?) I truly believe that environment is a huge factor in sexuality
There's situations for this. 1)The character lives in a highly homophobic society & is trying to surpress his sexual curiosity. 2)The character is unknowingly bisexual & never before met a girly-looking enough guy he'd swing for. 3)The series plays off sinfull forbidden love & the mangaka is more interested in delivering the message that love knows no gender. 4)The mangaka combines mysandry with heterophobia & gets off on punishing straight men. 5)The mangaka is just a fetishist who slashes together guys she'd like to fuck herself, making the guys bisexual so readers can imagine themselves as the rebound love interest if it doesn't work out between the guys. (many self-claimed yaoi fans are horrendously guilty of this).
Sorry but a sexuality isn't a choice. I'm bisexual and more leaning to liking the same sex but I'd wish everything would be easier by just being straight. If I was straight I would fall in love with the opposite sex almost always and there wouldn't be a chance of me having to tell my parents that they have a daughter that likes girls. If I could truly CHOOSE who I fall in love with, I'd choose the guy from our village in our homeland that my parents choose who is probably sexist, but it just doesn't work like that.
Ok so here's my thoughts on the subject (growing up with gay family members and gay/bi friends). You have different types of gay people.
You have those that were born that way. A lot of those (like my sister) will make a comment at least once in their lives that they wish they could be straight, as their lives would be so much easier (fyi for my gay friends...it ain't so easy being straight either).
Then you have those that had a traumatic experience when they were young regarding the opposite sex. Their fear/trauma will sometimes lead them to choosing same sex relationships. Again, this would be a category that they really don't have a choice (even though they are choosing same sex relationships, they are mentally unable to do otherwise due to their trauma).
You also have the bandwagonners. Those people who identify themselves as gay, bi, trans, or whatever is in "fashion." Now I am sure I'll get a lot of flack from this one, but it really is true. Especially with the younger generation who are either looking to fit in, stand out, or for something they can't get from their home life. I personally know a teenager who is like this.
The 4th type are those "love has no gender" people. I personally think this type is rare. You are talking about someone whose software can overcome their hard-wiring. In other words, they see the person, and not the gender. Even if they were straight (their hard-wiring), they could fall for someone of the same gender. My best friend falls into this category. She still says she is not gay, she just happened to fall in love with someone of the same gender.
So to put an end to the debate, some gay people have no choice but to be gay. Some are gay by choice. Now can't we all accept this and move on?
You fucking rock. CORRECT CORRECT CORRECT. Bless you.
you know what i dont get bout yaoi manga, is how many yaoi manga artist and writers actually force their once straight characters to become gay. lets say that character was never put into a situation where they get fked by another guy and then suddenly fall in love with them, they may never have become gay/bi. being gay is something you have always been you dont just decide or devolp becoming gay its how you were born.