It's make sense that Ian changed his mind after getting shot..the scene that he leave the house..ready to go..was so dramatic and some how he looks hopeful to me...them looking at the sky at the same time...sighhhh give my boiis a break!
I agree with what you said and I also think he cares for Jo but doesn’t it feel like he made a choice with his head and not with his heart ?
I mean he was able to make the right choice (=not endangering Jo) because he was not in love with him, even if he cares for Jo. I don’t mean to say he doesn’t like Jo, but I think he doesn’t like him enough to let TJ behind. TJ made an apparence in front of Ian and now Ian says he doesn’t want to go with Jo… what if some crap happened with the gang and TJ was not involved ? I think he would have still gone with Jo ?
Also why couldn’t he say Jo to wait for him (again) until he resolves some things and that it will be completely over after that and then they can be together.
I am not picking a fight I just want to discuss
And why he is not say .. he dont have feelings for jo after all these time they spend together i bet he know jo can accept that if that is what he want...i think it the best option just tell him that..he dont have the same feelings he dont even need to mention TJ..it's more reasonable..because it definitely stop Jo from chasing him...they can separated and just go their own way perfectly and beautifully dont you think?
and if this the EG reveals you're believe it is..it should finally his truth..because he is saying the same things to jo so many times just for Jo to said he just going to do what he want..and they comeback to each other again
Why don't he told Jo to wait until he resolved his problem with the gangs And they can go together?...i think because Ian know jo will not let him do that alone...last time Ian has to promise jo..he will go wih jo to the new place before going to see BT..and this time again...jo accept and let him go..(i dont remember last chapter they really part..or it just end with the rejection but they still at gas station) because he said he never go back to the past
They meant a lot to each other...i don't know why people always underestimate what they have for each other ...and if Ian care this much about jo but he love TJ more...i think it very cruel of him..if he should not to let Jo know that..
Well yeah that’s true he could just reject Jo’s feelings. That would be better for Jo too. I don’t understand Ian
So you think he tricked Jo and he will come back later? But saying “I don’t deserve you/I don’t want to hurt you” has never stopped Joseph either (which is the reason Ian says he can’t go with Joseph).
Then I think that if he wanted to resolve things before leaving with Jo, he wouldn’t want to make Jo wait for him and instead go get Jo himself instead for once. I could see that. But making Jo understand that he is not his destination feels contradictory with Ian coming back to Jo later.
I guess we can only wait and see
I don’t want to underestimate their relationship, it’s just that Ian and TJ relationship is so entangled that I don’t know how Ian could leave while knowing TJ needs/wants him.
But Jo definitely allowed Ian to see other ways of living, something Ian both find unsettling and pleasing.
As of now I mainly remember the moment he regrets not doing something for Jo : buying him flowers and saying he will be back later. I interpreted that as not being sufficiently (romantically) involved with Jo but maybe it’s only because he is not used to this or don’t want to make promises he won’t keep
Yeah I thought so as well, I don’t get how some people can still undermine his importance to this point.
It’s natural that Ian’s self doubt and “I’m not good for you” dialogues (also him looking away from Jo iirc, maybe noteworthy as to him not wanting to lose his resolve if they met eyes in that moment?) would make yet another comeback due to what had happened, clouding his judgement in the very last minute.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see which way this goes
You don’t go to someone when you’re in pain and bleeding if you don’t actually love that person. Ian could have simply answered Joseph’s call and told him he wasn’t going or said everything he needed to say over the phone or even texted him or completely ghosted him.
So why would Ian go that far for someone if he truly felt indifferent?
It’s not about being “nice,” because even though he said it face to face, it still broke Joseph’s heart. Ian desperately dragged his wounded body there because he wanted to see Joseph one last time before letting him go. That’s why he said, “This is my only chance to say this after today.” Ian had already decided that, for Joseph’s safety and future, he needed to disappear from his life.
He thought he had already resolved the problems from his past
/the gang after talking with Big Teddy. That’s why he first called Joseph and then packed his things. But while he was on the way, TJ and Jaime appeared. Just when Ian was finally trying to leave his past and darkness behind, they showed up again, blocking his path to his destination.
Imagine if Ian had reached the gas station earlier and TJ or Jaime suddenly appeared while Joseph was there. He would have been caught up in his past and darkness all over again. And what if it had actually been Joseph who got shot instead?
This moment directly mirrors Ian’s own monologue about Joseph: “Someone like me being by his side would only end up hurting him.” His worst fear causing Joseph harm was now happening right in front of him, almost a certainty.
I honestly thought he was going to leave with Jo but decided not too after what happened with TJ and Jamie.
I am not saying and did not say he is indifferent to Jo, but that he is not in love with him.
In my opinion he wanted to “reject” him properly (quote because he never said he didn’t like him, only he that he would not / can’t go with him) and that’s why he went to the gas station. Why go to such length ? Because he promised to meet there and he likes Jo, he wants to respect his feelings and not be a complete douche by texting him “I can’t go with you”. Especially if it is for a final goodbye. What a horrible way to end a relationship by not showing up and texting instead even though they promised to meet.
Also Jo wouldn’t have been shot because the shot was directed at TJ, Ian got shot only because he protected TJ.
I agree that Ian doesn’t want Jo to change for the worst nor want him to get hurt, but he doesn’t need to be in love with Jo to want that for Jo. He likes Jo but not to the length he would leave everything behind. It doesn’t seem hard to just go far away and not be bothered by the gang anymore (especially now that everyone is dead).
However not feeling deserving of Jo’s love I can understand.
I don't think Ian tricked jo...to just coming back later... he is decided to not allow jo to get involved..its not about just the gang (only me thinking he already handles that with whatever he doing with BT last time ) Ian think he is someone not worthy to Jo ..too dangerous too broken..too dirty so it's the best thing to do, they will go separate ways...and he is not coming back...
Jo is not his destination...i think he choose to go somewhere else...to be alone, so he can't be a treat to anybody
I don't think TJ is Ian's destination because...he should have said so..if this the last goodbye that he think it is...his true feelings..Jo at least deserves to know thats
...i dont see people talk much about this..but this time Ian will be able to leave TJ...because paying his last debt with the gunshots...and TJ is getting caught with the police and if he going to jail for real Ian will be able to go as he pleases...but if not and TJ is in his ways again we will see his true feelings...i think he still didn't answer TJ confessions
Ian is definitely not used to jo...jo's presence is something he never experience before...and it's is something he want to protect deeply...(Toby said that not me )
Making Jo wait for 3 days because he needed to finish some business and then dumping him is evil of Ian I was sure he would leave with Jo (⊙…⊙ )
About TJ I am not sure he is going to jail because the police officier said something like “thanks to you my daughter is all better”. Or he is going to jail for something like 2 years just like Ian maybe ? I don’t know
Yeah it’s really sad to see Ian not being able to live a simple life ╥﹏╥
waiting just 3 days it's not that big a deal...maybe like sunchaser said in the beginning Ian change his mind because he is getting shot and decided its too dangerous ...its can be both ways
About TJ ..for me it sound like the police officier is mocking him like he bribed them...but they come and get his ass just the time he walk away from power...and he laughing at himseft because fate is play him once more...its just my speculate tho pls dont get it to heart...
and Ian my poor baby...its even sadder..because simple life might be too luxury..he just need a life that not put him on survival mode all the time...he is not looking good right now mentaly, physically
if TJ really go to jail...do you think its better redemtion for him than he just realized he want Ian? do you think he should pay for his consequences?
Ooh right for TJ ! That’s probably the police officier mocking him ╥﹏╥
Yes when it was peaceful around him he felt so on edge like that wasn’t right
In my opinion, him going into jail is a consequence of his mafia activity. I don’t see it as a « punishment for what he did to Ian ».
Ian is the one he needs to be forgiven by, but it would feel good from my point of view if he realized and admitted that what he did was real bad.
Since I am team TJ and that I like their overly codependent relationship I don’t mind if Ian forgives him out of love and without TJ doing anything special.
The fact that Ian gave Jo all the reasons why he can’t go with him shows his emotional vulnerability, as he expressed his fears and the potential consequences if he were to live in Jo’s world which is why he also mentioned Jo’s family and future. I think he also lowkey giving him hints: “This is the last chance I can say this after today” and “I won’t return to the past.” If Jo truly understands Ian he will realize what Ian’s unspoken feelings that he couldn’t bring himself to ask or say to him. Honestly, it’s now up to Jo to decide whether he is truly willing to give up everything for Ian and choose to go with him.
Yesss thisss... my boy..no more hesitation!! Im dies on this hill too..even though i been on so many hill already lol
It's amazing that people both can see Ian + TJ relationships is codependent relationships...or me see it's as a trauma bonding lol...dyk is pretty good for this..but please no more love triangles..im begging (￣ε(#￣)Σ
Actually, Jo never hesitated. The problem is that Ian keeps putting Jo on a pedestal and won’t allow him to act on his own choices. It’s understandable because of Ian’s trauma, guilt and fear. But by doing this, he is denying Jo’s agency and deciding what he thinks is right or best for Jo’s life.
This behavior is actually very familiar right? lol even though Ian’s intentions are the opposite of TJ’s and he is trying to let Jo go, he is still controlling the decision in a different way. I just hope that this time Ian will accept whatever choice Joseph decides to make.
But it’s also Ian’s choice not to want Jo and his family to be in danger… even if Jo is willing to give up everything for Ian, that’s not what Ian wants. Jo already made his decisions and choices in pursuing Ian even knowing Ian’s background. He said it himself, that he did what he did because he wanted to.
Jo previously had said to Ian that he was scared of something that didn’t even happen yet, but now it has, and Ian doesn’t want Jo to be any more involved in the gang’s mess that he has already been.
I’m not sure that being together is Jo’s choice to make. Ian said he can’t stay with Jo because he doesn’t want Jo to be in danger. Staying with Jo and Jo being 100% safe are not compatible in Ian’s mind. Maybe Ian would like to stay with Jo, but he doesn’t want to harm Jo more than he wants to be with him.
Because Ian is idealizing Jo, he sees him as someone pure and good, someone he believes he doesn’t deserve and someone who shouldn’t be stained by him or his past. So he tries to protect Jo by pushing him away. But the real Jo is someone who is willing to lose that purity and face the consequences just to be with Ian.
Ian needs to stop idealizing Jo and start seeing him as a person who is willingly choosing him with full awareness of the consequences. He should allow someone to love him despite his flaws and darkness.
As I mentioned before, Ian has an internal conflict when it comes to Jo. There is a constant tug of war between Ian’s desire to be with Jo and his guilt, trauma and fear. Now he is facing the source of that internal conflict and has finally admitted those fears to Jo which is why he says he can’t go with him.
But after hearing all of that, Jo should still have the right to make his own decision. If Jo chooses to give up everything like his family, friends and his normal life just to be with Ian, then it becomes Ian’s choice whether he will accept that or not.
In the end, a relationship should be decided by both people not just one person making the decision for the other.
You don’t think about someone and tell yourself, “I don’t deserve this person or their love. I will only harm them if I stay. I’m the worst,” if you feel indifferent toward them. And you don’t tell someone that you’re worried and fear for their life, their future, and the people around them, believing that living together would only bring them harm, if you truly feel nothing for them.
If you’re familiar with the very common “Noble Idiocy” trope, you’ll probably understand what I’m saying. But Ian’s reasons here actually feel valid because of his trauma and severe self-worth issues. On top of that, he had just been shot on the way to Jo. Imagine being ready to leave your past behind, only for that same past to suddenly interrupt you again.
His fear for Joseph’s safety resurfaced. He likely started imagining a “what if” scenario. What if he actually went and lived with Jo, and then someone from his past suddenly appeared again and pointed a gun at Jo? That fear alone could make him push Joseph away.
He hid his gunshot wound so well, but Jo still noticed that something wasn’t right. And asked Ian if he was okay.
Also, the panels that highlight and focus on their eyes side by side. They say the eyes are the window to the soul.