I like MC's personality a lot, but the original body owner kinda annoyes me. He chose to b...

That's called victim blaming. It happened because he was vulnerable not because he's stupid.

So, you think the victim should be whitewashed no matter what choices he made before the mishap? This is funny. I believe an adult should take responsibility for his own choices.
If you choose to blindly follow someone who has already harmed you as much as in this story, this IS the act of self harm and self destruction. Following your logic, the smoker should blame cigarettes for destroying lungs instead of himself for lightening it.

No this is definitely victim blaming. Also those two things are completely different.

I’d say it’s common knowledge that cigarettes aren’t good, and of course it would be on them for most cases I’ve seen that they started it in the first place.

However if they got addicted to it then them doing the cigarettes wouldn’t be on them, but it is their job to get the help they need. Of course with loved ones around them helps with that as well.

Smoking and being in an abusive relationship isn’t the same thing. Most of the time you know smoking isn’t okay, but getting into an abusive relationship is a very complicated thing.

Is his actions towards his members okay? No, but it’s not his fault for the actions of his partner. It’s not fair to blame him for putting trust on the wrong person, but the person who did the harm.

The og wasn’t mentally well, and this guy took advantage of that and it’s always those types of people who prey on people who are vulnerable and you’re not helping by insulting them either.

I know this is fiction, but I really hope you don’t say this to real victims.

Blaming the victim instead of the abuser IS victim blaming. That sounds so ignorant

I believe that ignorance is to pin the blame on either one side or another. Just like you do.

I never once said that the abuser is out of the questions. I said that the adults should take responsibility for their actions.

Funny. You address to another human beings as a "preys" like animals and you don't find it insulting. While I address adults as someone who should be responsible for their life, but that is what you find insulting.

First A cigarette doesn't have the consciousness to manipulate its that simple
Second he had no one else to trust in the beginning its a psychological thing. He met jaehe before the others.
Third how is he supposed to 'take responsibility' he didn't know he'd get assaulted the first time. He didn't know its a loan shark the first time. He made each mistake once. He was in this position because he couldn't get out if the mistake not because he kept doing it.

idk why my reply is cut but you shouldn't compare a smoker with a victim of abuse. That's what I meant by ignorant.

It's similar to when a woman is raped, people blame the woman instead by saying "it's because you wear revealing clothes" "you should have known better" etc instead of addressing the main issue: the preparator.
The thing about victim of abuse is that they are mentally unstable, they are vulnerable to manipulation. Following what the abuser wants is NOT a self harm, most of the time it is a form of survival. They are afraid that's why they did what their abuser wants. I can say this because my friend is a victim of domestic violence. She is afraid of his husband, even when police is involved she can't free herself from him and his years long manipulation towards her.

"Adults should take responsibility for their actions" but the og mc legit is still a young naive adult who is prone to manipulation. That statement should be directed to the abuser NOT the victim. A simpler example is let's say, when you got tricked by someone and you didn't know they tricked you, you are essentially the victim, are you gonna accept someone saying "you are an adult, you should take responsibility of your action" to you? That's ridiculous.

That’s what they do. There isn’t anything insulting about it whatsoever. Prey has many other meanings and the meaning I’m using in this context doesn’t mean it’s about animals. Though humans are also part of the animal kingdom so I suppose you can think that.

Owe you worded that wonderfully, and the examples you gave made amazing sense as well.

Let's be real. He is a grown adult, not a kid and not an object to be "manipulated". He wasn't forced to sign a loan contract. If the content of the contract was clear, than he is dumb. If the content was tricky, than, yeah, everyone could be on his place. I could empathize with him, if he started to use his brain even a bit from this point. But what choices does he make after that? His partner made it clear right on the spot that he find this situation amusing and doesn't give a fuck about his trust. Still the moment he asked him to "trust" him again and get involved into smth obviously shady, he just went along with it again and ended drugged and filmed. You call it "being manipulated"? Why don't you call then every your choice and action in your life being manipulated?? It is so easy to put a responsiblity for yourself on someone else and blame them when smth goes wrong.

You say that he couldn't help and sink lower and lower...but every step forward that made his situation worse was made by him. Or are you seriously thinking that to be dragged around on the druggy parties clinging to the very same person who betrayed him into this is the only choice he could make?? Are all people with a huge loan and some dirt on them do the same? MC of this story landed on this very hopeless situation, than why is he doing just fine following your logic??
I can answer you that. Because he made other choices in compare with original body's owner. It wasn't luck that made him out of the shit, it was his actions that led to it.

Anyone can be tricked. But not anyone place their trust on the very same person who are harming them again and again and keeps following their lead. If you do - then you place the responsibility for yourself on another person and this is your choice to do so. With yours outcome to swallow. And not anyone with the huge loan and some dirt on them are dragged around druggy parties like a puppy on the leash. Come on!

There is nothing insulting in calling a fictional character, who is a dumbass, "a dumbass" and to wonder how could someone go down the obvious path of self destruction when it doesn't make any sense, and to be annoyed with that. I am sooo loving the topic "victim blaming" that arises every time the dumbass is a victim in some story! It is like some reader's brain turns off the moment the pitiful lovely dumbass is being harmed no matter that his brainless actions led to that mishap.

I am being real He was a kid when It started

Is he supposed to take responsibility as a teenager who was in love and treated right and then fooled into being assaulted and recorded? That is what made him do the other things threats.

It’s just concerning you feel this way toward a victim that’s all. I’m not annoyed, I’m concerned. I hoped you don’t say this stuff about real victims.

It’s just the lack of empathy is very disturbing to see. Which is why you should probably do research because I feel you don’t know much about the topic and you can understand why people are calling you a “victim blamer” because it’s absolutely true.

Especially the way you’re insulting the victim which does make it worse as well.

This is exactly why victims of abuse refuse to seek help and speak up because people dismiss what they went through. It's like telling sick people "why are you sick? Just get better!"

I think it's not your place to say some reader's brain turns off when you yourself refuse to acknowledge or at least try to understand where the og mc is coming from. Og sihyeon was barely adult when it happened to him, what do you expect from a teen stepping into adult world? Yes this is fiction, but what I like about this story is how real and raw the writer writes the og sihyeon, what og sihyeon experiences unfortunately happens to real people out there. Genuinely, I just hope you grow up, meet a lot of people, experience a lot of things and could understand sensitive topic like this and learn how to be more empathetic towards victims.

Thank you <3 is that mizisua pfp

I feel empathy when the victim is not one of the sources of his own misery. There is a huge difference between being the victim of circumstances and being the victim of your own reckless choices. Sorry, guys, but the last is not someone worth much sympathy, from my point of view.

I hope you grow up too and understand that "victims" and "abusers" in real life are often the same people, who are going through the circle of violence turning from one status to another. And it is really immature and ignorant to pin a blame on the one side without giving much thought what lead to the event.