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Red or green flag? If red, any signs of redemption arc (apologies and character developmen...

Oowboi O_O April 1, 2026 5:05 pm

Red or green flag? If red, any signs of redemption arc (apologies and character development)?

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    fwopfwop April 1, 2026 5:15 pm

    Who? The ml? Hes a green garden

    Nayla April 1, 2026 5:16 pm

    Can't deny that Chase is a real as*hole at the beginning. So he looks like a reg flag. But he's actually kinda green flag. And you understand why he was acting like a jerk quickly and it's very understandable. If you're wondering if it's worthy to ready it or not, well I believe it is.

    April 1, 2026 5:29 pm

    he's a green flag with crazy trauma back story

    Lieve April 1, 2026 5:30 pm
    Can't deny that Chase is a real as*hole at the beginning. So he looks like a reg flag. But he's actually kinda green flag. And you understand why he was acting like a jerk quickly and it's very understandable. ... Nayla

    Grayson is such a fucker bro. I swear, I wish he'd die. He doesn't deserve love bro..

    Oowboi O_O April 1, 2026 5:37 pm

    Is grayson one of the couple or just a side character?

    Toru April 1, 2026 5:42 pm

    Ml (top) deep red flag with black dots, for violence and anger issues at the beginning. Becomes later more green with the bottom ( that doesn't mean with everyone). He is pretty submissive then and is being protected by the bottom. No sa or cheating with others in that relationship.
    Mc ( bottom) was originally a bright red flag concerning relationship and sleeping around, but stopped before the story started, when he got his child. He is green with the ml, but sometimes has questionable thoughts.

    Toru April 1, 2026 5:48 pm
    Is grayson one of the couple or just a side character? Oowboi O_O

    He is actually the main character, because he is the first character of the author form this universe that had a story, but it was released 10 years later -last year.
    He had a planned pair from the start, you'll see him soon. But that story takes place a few years after KMIYC.

    Lieve April 1, 2026 6:00 pm
    He is actually the main character, because he is the first character of the author form this universe that had a story, but it was released 10 years later -last year.He had a planned pair from the start, you'll... Toru

    Oh really? Interesting... I ACTUALLY just found out right now how all their works are titled "KISS"... KissVerse huh.. So it all started with Grayson, correct? (that's so hard to believe, a fucker like him wa the first main character, damn it)

    Oowboi O_O April 1, 2026 6:06 pm

    So in short there had been a redemption arc? Sorry yall, girly's in her red days im a lil slow rn. Is it a good read overall?

    Lieve April 1, 2026 6:16 pm
    So in short there had been a redemption arc? Sorry yall, girly's in her red days im a lil slow rn. Is it a good read overall? Oowboi O_O

    Kiss Me Liar was more of an Unrequited Love between Yeowoon and Keith, (my first read of ZIG, and I actually love the theme unrequited love and It's really good.) I read that one in our Pandemic arc, good read.

    Kiss Me If You Can is a story of Joshua and Chase from KML, Joshua in KML was Yeowoon's best friend, and Chase in KML was Keith's friend.

    But I'm starting to think, that with the story pace between Kiss Me Liar and Kiss Me If You Can, and the concept and timeline of both stories, I think Kiss Me If You Can happened first, before Kiss Me Liar... (correct me if I'm wrong, it's okay) but yeah.. That's what I think.

    But feel free to read KML first before KMIYC^^ Have fun being happy, consumed, chill, confused, sad, and angry lol.

    Lieve April 1, 2026 6:18 pm
    So in short there had been a redemption arc? Sorry yall, girly's in her red days im a lil slow rn. Is it a good read overall? Oowboi O_O

    Oh I didn't get to say it but KISS ME IF YOU CAN IS A MUST READ, It's so good ngl. The buff, strong, and concerning resolve of the Uke and the crazy, traumatic, and hotness of the Seme is certainly a "hold me back" like holy shit. I love their traits so much. My type of Top and Bottom^^

    Toru April 1, 2026 6:25 pm
    Oh really? Interesting... I ACTUALLY just found out right now how all their works are titled "KISS"... KissVerse huh.. So it all started with Grayson, correct? (that's so hard to believe, a fucker like him wa t... Lieve

    The first story the author released of this universe was Kiss me liar, the pairing is Keith Pittman x Yeonwoo Seo. Grayson was a side character there, also Josh and Dane.
    The author Zig wrote last year on her X account, when "Desire me if you can" was in progress, that Grayson's story was actually the first story she came up with when she started with omegaverse. It just took her 10 years to release it.
    It's also chronologically the last Miller story of the 6 original ones.
    That author actually had two series each six stories planned for that universe, for a very long time. One is the "...if you can" and the other "Kiss me..."( that one has still only one story, I think she wanted to finish the Millers first). She also wrote three are same universe but not part of the series.
    I guess she wanted to start with a story who has a korean mc, so she started with KML, but then stopped with that series and only wrote the ...if you can and not related stories.
    The author has more than one messed up character. So Grayson is far form the worst, even if it doesn't look like it right now ( still doesn't change that he did some insane shit in the past and the trauma he caused on Chase), and you see how he actually is in his story. Most wanted to read his story, because his pair is Dane. Means he would get kharma and suffer. And Dane is a fan favorite. I wanted to read it, because the pairing of KML pissed me off, trash king x pushover, toxic, power imbalace etc. But Grayson having to deal with Dane promised to be something else.

    Oowboi O_O April 1, 2026 6:35 pm

    Oh my gosh i love the constructive description, thank yall so much! Ive already read KML and i didnt notice it was the same authorrr, ig ill read KMIYC now. Love lots!!!

    Toru April 1, 2026 7:12 pm
    Kiss Me Liar was more of an Unrequited Love between Yeowoon and Keith, (my first read of ZIG, and I actually love the theme unrequited love and It's really good.) I read that one in our Pandemic arc, good read.... Lieve

    No, Chase never was Keith's friend, they are aquaintances and have a work relationship.
    Keith's friend is Grayson. Chase was only shown one in a weird pic in KML manhwa and in the novel Yeonwoo saw him at that party with dyed hair, but he was mentioned several times.

    Release is one thing (KML was first released), but the timeline is even more complicated then you think.
    Because if you also count the novels, you actually have 4 stories that are kind of running at the same time.
    You have that party which happens in "Kiss me liar" and "Kiss me if you can" and some other events. But then, the newspaper article at the beginning of "Kiss me if you can" is part of the story of "Run away of you can", that prosecutor is the pair of Nathaniel Miller and Grayson mentions that Nathaniel lost for the first time, and against a beta.
    And then you have Grayson and the doctor, who mentions that the parents send the youngest son to England, and that just happened in "Deflower me if you can" which is currently in progress. So we actually now know what led to this.

    Lieve April 2, 2026 7:05 am
    No, Chase never was Keith's friend, they are aquaintances and have a work relationship.Keith's friend is Grayson. Chase was only shown one in a weird pic in KML manhwa and in the novel Yeonwoo saw him at that ... Toru

    Well it has been long since I last read KML SO PARDON ME if I am wrong. I was gonna put 'friends/acquaintance' cuz I was unsure but I just did whatever was good.. But yeah. I guess that makes sense.

    fwopfwop April 2, 2026 7:29 am
    Ml (top) deep red flag with black dots, for violence and anger issues at the beginning. Becomes later more green with the bottom ( that doesn't mean with everyone). He is pretty submissive then and is being pr... Toru

    I dont get how mc is a red flag for being in a relationship. He wasnt a fck boy but had short casual relationships here and there (not as much as keith). But he was popular and had people after him cos he hot.

    Toru April 2, 2026 10:46 am
    I dont get how mc is a red flag for being in a relationship. He wasnt a fck boy but had short casual relationships here and there (not as much as keith). But he was popular and had people after him cos he hot. fwopfwop

    No, he was. Did you even listen what Emma said? Or the bodyguards? The third extra? Or when he talks with Dane?
    And there is that epic talk between Dane and Josh in Desire me if you can, where they throw dirt at each other, where you see two shocked dominant alphas who walked in on them.lol