Could you stop taking this fictional shit so seriously? We’re already reading a story wh...

Agreed

Louderrr for the crybabies at the back

Or not every manga needs to have rape the art is great the characters were interesting and it was definitely a disappointment to those of us tired of these non consensual scenes

It's kinda childish to make a "if you don't like it, don't read it". hundreds of comments and I haven't seen one criticizing the story, just the characters. People are not hating on the story so "if you don't like it" argument doesn't really hold much weight. If someone hated the story then that would be another thing. Then it would be valid to say just don't read it. But it's not.

I don't understand what you want people to do if they don't criticize the story. The comments would be dry asf like "oh look he did a wrong thing" and that's it?

Are you sure you are not the one trivializing the rape? I mean there is depiction of rape but you don't want me to talk about it because "it's supposed to happen this way". I don't know your struggles or anybody else's struggle but I don't there is a specific direction for rape. I think "I don't want this" "I hate this" "It hurts." "I want it to stop" is a clear depiction of an issue.

Separating fiction between reality is a great thing but you are projecting a hyper-separation where you are expecting the readers to not have any form of emotional resonance with the story. Isn't it same for you too? If the depiction is too silly or mismatched for you then don't engage with the media.

There are BL stories that don't contain problematic content—ones that are super light and easy to read. Why don't you read those instead? You do realize, don't you, that not all problematic fictional content has to be tailored to suit your particular sensibilities?

I’m not saying you don’t have to have critical thinking, or that you don’t have to analyze themes, or that you don’t have to debate situations. The problem arises when you try to place fiction on the same level as fucking reality. Let’s be honest: most people aren’t looking to debate an issue in a coherent or well-reasoned manner; rather, they want the author to bend to their specific moral standards and grievances. This then inevitably escalates into massive hate directed at the author—a real human being—simply for drawing fictional, "problematic" content that they find intolerable.

I'm not asking this to be treated as actual reality and certainly do not want the author to get hate. That being said "it's fiction, don't talk about it" is not a good attitude. You original comment did not come from a concern for author. There are many medias with rape as we see a rising trend in addition of rape in bl/yaoi medias. While the author might get some hate, no author has changed their storylines to adhere to fans taste after the backlash. The people are debating that the character did not do good job, nobody said the author should rewrite the story.

"The problem arises when you try to place fiction on the same level as fucking reality." but is it really a problem? what level of integration of fiction and reality is acceptable? Where shall we draw the line? While some nuances come into play while reading a fictional media, the wrongs are still wrongs and can be discerned pretty well.

The hypothetical of "this will happen" or the possible inevitable you speak of is not enough to try and sanction readers to not talk about the media they are consuming. Again there is a difference between separation and hyper-separation.

It’s painfully obvious you haven’t read a damn thing about Yaoi; there hasn’t been a sudden surge in non-consensual content within BL—this stuff has been around since the 70s. Problematic content has *always* existed in fiction; your perception is simply skewed because we are now all exposed to an infinite amount of information and media. When you blur the line between reality and fiction—equating the two and projecting real-world standards onto a fictional narrative—you are applying those standards to a medium that is far more sugarcoated, fetishized, and polarized than actual life, which is infinitely more complex than any fictional plot point. And I’m not saying people shouldn’t debate or voice their disapproval regarding a character’s behavior; I’m just saying that, sometimes, it seems like they take it so seriously—assigning it such real-world weight—that it appears they care more about a few pixels on a screen than they do about actual, real-world issues. And let’s not forget those readers who take things to the extreme—harassing authors and flippantly tossing around loaded terms to label everyone else as "sick," all while placing themselves on a moral pedestal.

Oh I have read plenty of yaoi. Rape in fiction is not a new thing but there's a greater amount of Bl and yaoi works today than it was in the past. The problematic media is more obvious now. I'm not arguing there are no vanilla or green flag stuff but most of the works released contain rape at least once in the story. If I pick out a random manga/manhwa from a random page in this site, I am bound to run into at least half where there is depiction of non-con stuff. In fact, non-con is used as an opening statement to establish connection between two characters in many media. So reducing someone's consumption of yaoi media just because they didn't agree with your opinion is pretty childish.

Even if it's fiction, it's consumed by real people. People tend to apply their own real moral standards. Again some nuances might come into play but it doesn't really change the final judgement or opinion. People need a reference to voice their opinion. They are passionate about it, let 'em be. It's not hurting you, not hurting author, there's not even arguments between different parties, no long threads or anything. They are just voicing their opinions.

If I am gonna speak about something related to the media I am consuming I will do it here. I'm not gonna talk real-world issues like politics here. I might do it if the media displays politics then it might be okay. If it depicts rape and assault, I am gonna judge weighing against the scales which my mind and compass thinks is okay. I'm gonna judge it here.

It maybe pixels but those pixels convey a story which both of us are here to read along with hundreds of other readers. On one hand being a moral police is bad, on the other hand same can be said to anti-moralists.

Your arguments are shifting from all readers to specific readers who take this too passionately to more specific readers who harass authors. So chill out a bit. I’ll keep talking about what I actually see in the manhwa right here. That’s all.

First of all, BL is rated 18+. Assuming that the majority of readers here are minors—why do you think tags and content warnings exist in BL? I’m not saying you shouldn’t read BL; I’m simply asking: if fictional content makes you feel so uncomfortable, why would you ignore the tags and then expect the material you dislike to conform to your own rigid moral code and sensibilities?

I’m not saying it’s wrong to express an idea, spark a debate, or analyze a situation—as you yourself have done. People often project their own ideals onto fictional realities; however—and I repeat this point—once you blur the line between reality and fiction, you are effectively equating the two, thereby reducing a genuine real-world issue to nothing more than a fictional construct.

It seems you think my comment was directed at everyone in general, though I can see that *you*, at least, maintain a very clear boundary between reality and fiction. I was actually referring to those readers who go to the extreme of harassing an author, or who use certain terms so flippantly—stripping them of their true significance—while placing themselves on a moral pedestal.