You can’t be saying that callisto is abusive and sympathise with eckles in the same breath . Mf wanted to OWN her body and soul regardless of her will. He word for word said if he can’t have her love he will have her body
I'm not condoning eckles actions later in the series either, but Penelope literally drove him to that point. She made it a point to manipulate him and make him wholly reliant on her and again Callisto is a grown ass adult in his mid 20s, I expect much more from him than a 17 year old child.
If we’re arguing age then let me tell you that eckles age is not an excuse. When he brought yovnne for the first time and was thrown in the dungeon he’d seen Penolope’s reaction first hand and she so very clearly expressed her rejection of him. Did he listen? No. He tried to kidnap her and persisted when she wanted to be left alone then he tried to kill her not once but twice.The trauma one experience is never an excuse to their horrible actions whether it be callisto or eckles or any other mf even penolope herself is not exempt. They all are morally ambiguous characters let’s not pick and choose who we draw a strict line at and who doesn’t have said line.
PREACH! SPEAK YOUR TRUTH! I agree 100 percent!! Just replying to show I support you so much more & cause mangago isn't letting me dislike the OG comment （/TДT)/
Omg I’m glad that you see what I see sis
Again, I never said I condone Eckles actions. A majority of my comment is about Penelope's overall treatment of an already very broken child that leads him to being further broken and mentally unsound. And actually, yes, age does play a major part in someone's capacity to make proper decisions. Y'all are really so pressed about me also talking about the over glorification of abusive mls in these types of manhwa and clearly don't have reading comprehension.
I don't know what to say but age don't allow you to make decisions that will harm others and 17 is not young anymore may be penelope used and manipulated eckles but he did know it that he was being manipulated I am not saying that this gives penelope the right to manipulate him but it does gives the choice to eckles to choose between staying or fleeing and staying was his choice. Also about penelope she was in dire situation of death I can't judge her i was never in her situation and I don't know if you have this experience or not. Also we could justify everything eckles is doing but why did he kill his own people who were living so peacefully. Even if you raise a dog but then too it can't harm his family, and here eckles did it for his own ambitions. So it's not about penelope it was never about her it was about Eckles selfish desire that led him to this also if you are talking about age , psychology has proved that children about 15 are mentally stable to take moral decisions, he just choose not to take one that was good for everyone
Penelope is literally a noble's daughter. Regardless if she is blood related to them or not. Can we PLEASE stop acting like her and Eckles are on the same footing? NO Eckles should not be stalking Penelope but PENELOPE IS LITERALLY FORCING A SLAVE TO AGREE TO BE HER TOOL. AND YES I SAID FORCED BECAUSE LAST TIME I CHECKED SLAVES CAN NOT CONSENT.
Penelope is useless as are the rest of these characters. The author can't write and needs slavery to drive the plot because they don't have a creative bone in their body.
Let's keep in mind that Penelope, too, is very young and at the time DESPERATE to return home, or at the very least, SURVIVE!! She didn't even treat him that bad; she bought him gifts, fired workers who mistreated him, and comforted him in such instances despite disapproval from her family due to the vast difference in status. The only fault in her actions really is the fact they lacked sincerity, but all of her kind actions towards ALL the males were like that up until a certain point. No one would be driven to that extent of madness from Penelope's treatment unless they already had the initial capacity to do so. Plus, the only reason she was selectively nicer to him was because all the other leads killed her almost immediately in her past life's gameplay. You can't even blame her for how she acted, but even then, she wasn't all that bad in the first place （￣へ￣）
I heavily agree with this comment, though I’ve already detached from the story and don’t care for the main characters as much, everybody needs healing. All of the ml’s are abusive, Penelope is manipulative and cruel (her reasons don’t justify or excuse her. She did what she thought would help her survive at the time, but that still doesn’t absolve the harm she put Eckles through.) I’ve said it before, the ending could’ve had them all go their separate ways instead of forcing a romance route when there’s clearly still unresolved internal conflicts.
Right she wasn't even that bad. Everyone has the ability to kill a person in some way, but the majority of people don't cause they don't wanna do anything like that and know it's wrong, but some people still do. Eckles doesn't have a excuse he was the fallen prince of a fallen kingdom and if he got picked up by anyone else his treatment would have been way worse they could have even killed him instead. Him having to go and serve a lady that treated him decently compared to what he would have really gotten as a slave tho lacking on actual affection was the least of his worries really he could have just been a normal loyal knight. The magical brainwashing didn't get to everyone this round it only got mainly to 2 people the brother and eckles and that was cause they let it cause if everyone else could fight it they should have been able to as well. Even a child can be abused their whole life and still not grow up to be a psychopath the actions you take in life are your own.
Girl pls I take no issue in the fact that all of the characters are very obviously MORALLY GRAY , what I take issue in is you infantilizing Eckles. He is 17 . He is by their societal norm mature and of age. The argument of him being a “child “ is not accurate because Penolope herself is a “child”. I’ve said it twice now but I did condemn Penolope for her behaviour and personality towards all of them. I might understand her reasons but I know they’re never an excuse. He appeled to you for some reason but the one who was actually treated really horribly by her and on top of that never got his happy ending is Vincent so let’s talk about that. Anyways I NEVER said that what callisto did was ok but he acknowledged his wrongdoings, dose that erase the mistake? No. But it is up to the victim if they want to forgive or not. I repeat, what I take issue in is you looking away from all the shit Eckles did and nitpick at what callisto did, when in truth they all are or were horrible to Pen in a way or another just as much as she is horrible to them now too.
Are you forgetting that Penolope insinuated that she will give him the ring that conrols him ? She might’ve had an ulterior motive when she did a plan b perhaps but we never found out what’s the plan do you know why ? Because ECKLES CHOSE to stay with her. He was obsessed with her in a sick way. The one time where she was actively sliding the ring off from her finger he clutched her legs like a dog begging her not to do it. He had the choice to be free of her. Regardless of the consequences he had the illusion of choice and even then he refused it. And if we are talking status he is the prince of a conquered country. He had people from his country, they could’ve done smth had he not slaughtered them, funny that it’s mentioned that they had te chance of doing something ! He had the means to flee with them and YET he chose to stay with Pen.
Again let me tell you I am a psychology student and the talk about him is absurd as you know he is a psycho it doesn't matter what pen did he would have turned out the same and let me tell you she only did a bare minimum to have him loyal to him nothing ever justify your wrongdoing there are good people in The world who have gone through a lot but never left the path of goodness , maybe today's generation think only about tit for tat but world is only continuing because of people who are good no matter what. And let me ask what if in the story Eckles kidnapped penelope and rapped her and put her in dark with his obsession would it be penelope's fault then too , no it wouldn't. I have read many cases of social activist and all some have come from very dire situation but then too have choose the path of helping others and not hating the world , and honestly because of people like this the society still continues rather than people like him . Also when you try to burn the world you burn with it and that's what Eckles is doing
Just because you're a psychology student doesn't mean anything tbh, I know so many therapists and psychologist that do quite a bit of harm to their patients and pulling out "I have a degree" to try and silence someone else is wild. I've been in therapy since I was 11years old, and personally think every one should be in therapy, but just because that's what your studying doesn't make you right or even someone who doesn't have flawed logic or bias. Also, the discrediting someone due to their age, is another red flag, and I truly hope you don't become anyone's support system cause based off your comment alone, I can see so much harm that can be caused by your very narrow ideologies. Idk what you mean by, "this generation" but I'm 30 years old, maybe you should take a good hard look at "your generation" if all you can do is try to discredit someone by making them seem inferior based off superfluous things. And if you actually were paying attention to the story, Eckles wouldn't have turned out like that at all. All throughout the story, Penelope literally talks about how he was a much different character and was originally the only non-abusive character in the game and the only one who didn't condemn Penelope. As someone studying psychology, it's honestly wild that you think she hasn't done so much harm to Eckles and have missed something literally laid out directly in the text. Again, never did I say what eckles did was right or that I agree with it, I'm literally talking about how the main character broke a clearly already broken person further and I'm sick of trash characters being glorified and painted as victims or in the right, when they are clearly not and are equally as trash as the supposed "villains"
I'm done replying after this cause I just couldn't be bothered. To anyone saying she was nice to Eckles because she gave him gifts and manipulative, calculated affection, THAT IS NOT BEING NICE OR KIND. It is purely emotional manipulation and a means of control, that ultimately only brought further harm to him. Gifts do not make up for abuse, and yes, what she did to eckles was abuse. For those that fail to realize, eckles is a 17 year old child. Yes, 17 is a very young age and your brain is not even fully developed. I am not condoning or excusing eckles actions or saying eckles is in the right or should be the ml. My comment was about the overall treatment of a very broken child that needed help but instead was further broken and everyone treats him like absolute trash. Meanwhile, every other person in this series is equally as bad, if not worse, and no one bats an eyelash. Again, I am not going to be replying any further. If you don't agree with me or like what I am saying, so be it, that is your opinion.
I genuinely don't care that she gave him the ring because if anything it pisses me off more. She gives him the ring and then what? That doesn't make him no longer a slave in that society. I said what I said, the author can't write and thinks slavery is a game.
Thank you for understanding what's actually happening!
The thing is I kind of dropped the story because of Eckles too. But I think the more important thing I don’t see anyone talking about is how unnaturally evil they made him
How they FORCED Eckles to be a villain. I really agreed with your points where they introduced this character who has been dealt the worse hand possible and just continued to make him trash. When I read the chapter of Eckles betrayal I was so infuriated. Because are we serious? Mind control and all of a sudden he’s some over obsessive freak!? AND he isn’t given any grace??? HE WAS MANIPULATED??? Later, they throw in some bull like he was “always sick in the head”, or him becoming “dangerous was inevitable.”
No it was not!! gtfo.
THEY GAVE US A SNEAK PEAK OF HIM RECOGNIZING THAT HIS ACTIONS WERE BAD. THEN MADE HIM DO DEPLORABLE SHI ANYWAYY, OH. MY. DAYYSSS!
it was entirely avoidable and could have been resolved!!!
Him becoming evil really felt like they just needed some extra drama and chose him as the weakest link. I think it upset me more because Eckles was my favorite, and they did my bro so dirty. And for what!?? For WHAT purpose ToT.
Girl I agree with this so heavy omg. Penelope is so damn manipulative and cruel. She’s been in this world for months and still treats most people just like “characters” its pmo. The fact that she kept a f***ing SHOCK COLLAR on a human being for so long just because his “status is that of a slave” and he’s a “wild beast that is dangerous and needs to be tamed” and then goes on to completely lovebomb this kid and people are shocked (no pun intended) when he turns out to be obsessive and have a twisted kind of affection is beyond me. The people defending ts are the same type of people that laughed at Hermoine creating SPEW in HP. Like hello?! Why is the mc, WHO IS FROM THE MODERN ERA, so comfortable with slavery. Like, she literally buys a slave and keeps him as a slave and never thinks of, nor treats him like a normal person. Its disgusting and it makes me side-eye the author HEAVY
It's unfortunate cause I really like the art and like the overall story, but the treatment of eckles is absolutely abhorrent and I'm not sure why there's barely any mention of it at all in the comments. It genuinely makes me dislike the mc and upsets me enough to drop this. There isn't a single character that treats eckles like an actual human and Penelope especially treats him as nothing more than a tool. She actually psychologically tortures and breaks this kid. And yes, eckles is a 17yr old child. Her treatment of him makes him wildly emotionally unstable and there isn't a bit of remorse or regret from her at all. It leaves a really nasty taste in my mouth and sure, maybe in the beginning you can say she doesn't view the other characters as people cause she thinks it's a game or whatever, but she literally doesn't treat anyone else as poorly or do anyone else as dirty, and literally sympathizes with every other character but eckles and it's wild. Also, I don't know why the crown prince is such a popular ml, imo he's actual trash, I understand his tragic back story has made him the way he is, but his whole character is a literal psychopath?? Like, your tragic childhood does not absolve you of your actions as a full grown adult. He nearly kills Penelope on their first meeting and every one is just like, oh, forgiven?? I'm honestly so sick of seeing abusive, trash mls