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My take on characters and universe.

Gm123 June 6, 2026 6:36 am

First of all y'all seriously need to stop this fight over "what he did to chase" and comparing them. All of them had their own issues. Everything happened because one situation led to another and on a way everyone was responsible and everyone was a victim too. Multiple victims can co-exist. This whole universe is a very well depiction of circumstances and choices and parenting. You can't blame any one single person here.

And now what I think about the characters here:


If I'm not missing any point, then all the MLs of "if you cn series" (except Domnic and a bit of Nathaniel) are very much Green for their partners only but you can't say that any of them are Green as a person. It's just that after reading all the novels I came to like Grayson a lot considering and comparing all of the ML's situation and all of their psychological condition, parenting effects, them with their partners and them with others beside their partners.

Grayson and Nathaniel as a character are very intresting to read. They keep u on hook, they made u look forward to their actions. It was nice to see Nathaniel fall in love actually.

Chase I consider is violent yet sensitive by nature and also kind of dumb and cute (I still remember when he was asking josh to increase his height or switch faces lol). But his character didn't go through any much development and was kind of plain in comparison with others. Basically his character is overshadowed by Josh.

I felt KMIYC is very good for a solo read. But comparatively, it lacks lots of explainations, depth, Miller family background details and lots of half-baked knowledge and biased perspective which I find the main reason of the conflicts different fandoms are having right now. I mean how many of KMIYC only readers knw the age at which Chase manifested, how many siblings he has, how dangerous their pheromones actually are, what exactly their parents did, how chase ended up in film industry etc. I bet no one (just by reading KMIYC not other novels). The explanations came from other novels. That's why I consider it to be poorly written (maybe that's what Zig intended it to be as it is indeed the shortest one and is known as the entry to the universe). And don't get it wrong, I am saying this while seeing it as a part of the universe. As a solo read, it is as good as perfect.

It is now when Desire me If you can has finally being adapted that people are now taking interest in the back ground of the Miller family.


And of course, this is my ranking and evaluation. Other ppl may love chase or Nathaniel more and that's completely fine, everyone has their own choices and tastes.

Responses
    Lily June 6, 2026 7:06 am

    What happened with kmiyc is the consequences of it being published at the time were the whole miller fam is not that flesh out yet (at least that's what I feel while reading the novels) now the only argument some may say why there's barely any fam mention in his side is because "he cut off contact with them". The only thing for the fandom to have peace with each other is the moment a "reconciliation" happened, especially between Chase and Ashley and Koi, at least for the novel readers cos that's what most reasonable Chase fans wants, manhwa readers only is a whole different topic tho. Some might not want to read this but I'm sure there are still those willing to read it and understand the others pov, I was one of them

    Hanna June 6, 2026 7:06 am

    More explanations lol. Agreed totally, novel readers should just stop now and KMIYC readers should also stop.

    prosperous June 6, 2026 7:12 am

    I wholeheartedly agree. I've read both Chase's and Grayson's stories, and I personally enjoyed Grayson's more. I love Chase too, but KMIYC feels more Josh-centric than DMIYC. Here we got to see both leads stories and character growth, which made it even more compelling.

    Lily June 6, 2026 7:32 am
    I wholeheartedly agree. I've read both Chase's and Grayson's stories, and I personally enjoyed Grayson's more. I love Chase too, but KMIYC feels more Josh-centric than DMIYC. Here we got to see both leads stori... prosperous

    Thanks for reminding me that kmiyc is mostly josh centric argh Chase was left hanging after all these years, truly the embodiment of a middle child

    Gm123 June 6, 2026 8:05 am
    What happened with kmiyc is the consequences of it being published at the time were the whole miller fam is not that flesh out yet (at least that's what I feel while reading the novels) now the only argument so... Lily

    May be we will get it in the new side stories. I really hope so. Oh yeah n this is also making Chase fans upset (or will upset in future), that Dane and Grayson had lot of moments with the family. But chase didn't have it. And they are taking it in a different light that they neglected chase but it's chase who cut off. If he had been in the family, the parents would be like that to him as well. But it was only right for Chase to make that decision.

    Agghh I like them all and I really want a reunion of Miller family with all the kids.

    Ambien_the_Dreamer June 6, 2026 8:06 am
    Thanks for reminding me that kmiyc is mostly josh centric argh Chase was left hanging after all these years, truly the embodiment of a middle child Lily

    Right?!? Even in his oen manhwa. The middle child energy is really there.

    Hanna June 6, 2026 8:22 am
    Right?!? Even in his oen manhwa. The middle child energy is really there. Ambien_the_Dreamer

    Sry but this was funny lol.

    Lily June 6, 2026 9:40 am
    May be we will get it in the new side stories. I really hope so. Oh yeah n this is also making Chase fans upset (or will upset in future), that Dane and Grayson had lot of moments with the family. But chase did... Gm123

    Agreed, but I also can't ignore what Chase fans had been fighting for, I've seen majority of those 'reasonable' Chase fans is just a bit bitter that Chase didn't get a happy fam moments with his fam, and AshKoi taking accountability or them reconciling, although there is a hint on that unfortunately it happened in another novel and not on his own which I think where one of the problem stems... But they also are forgetting that, as u said, it's Chase who cut off contacts, I think they're forgetting that Chase and Grayson have a different view/approach with having relations with people, Chase most of the time chooses isolation/cutting off people, while Grayson always keeps that connection, just see how he is to Chase despite Chase keep pushing him away. What Chase did is also what's best imo (cutting contacts part), and even if he did get that apology, I don't think he'll be forgiving that easily like he did with Grayson...

    But even after all that I heavily agree on that Miller fam reunion, as someone who've seen each pov, like argh please I wanna see them being a family, please give Koi his dream of having his big fam TT I swear the day we'll have side story that I'll passed out of joy, I already love this dysfunctional family a lot lololol

    Lily June 6, 2026 9:50 am
    Agreed, but I also can't ignore what Chase fans had been fighting for, I've seen majority of those 'reasonable' Chase fans is just a bit bitter that Chase didn't get a happy fam moments with his fam, and AshKoi... Lily

    *the day we'll have that side story I'll pass out

    Oof grammar ain't grammaring, I might be a bit too happy writing that last part I didn't notice the typos lol

    Hanna June 6, 2026 10:01 am
    Agreed, but I also can't ignore what Chase fans had been fighting for, I've seen majority of those 'reasonable' Chase fans is just a bit bitter that Chase didn't get a happy fam moments with his fam, and AshKoi... Lily

    Zig has already decided on side story 3. And omoo, this comment thread is my fav so far. Like we seriously need this type of mature readers who are ready to accept the every aspect still having their own personal favourites if we are dwelling ourselves in such a complex plots.

    Gm123 June 6, 2026 10:49 am
    Agreed, but I also can't ignore what Chase fans had been fighting for, I've seen majority of those 'reasonable' Chase fans is just a bit bitter that Chase didn't get a happy fam moments with his fam, and AshKoi... Lily

    So true, like the moment Ashley and Koi were introduced everyone started saying they are so good to Grayson what did Chase do to get neglected. Lol and I was thinking it's actually good that they neglected him(though they didn't) cs the children he looked after, he gave them punishments and locked them on basements and sent them to pheromones party when they were like 10 And they don't even knw that he despised Grayson the most. Chase got lucky in so many ways, I actually feel good for him. Like in terms of partner as well he is the only one who got it so easily. But it's his tragedy as well that the only person who truly cared was the person who caused his trauma. The whole thing is so tragic.

    Gm123 June 6, 2026 10:50 am
    Zig has already decided on side story 3. And omoo, this comment thread is my fav so far. Like we seriously need this type of mature readers who are ready to accept the every aspect still having their own person... Hanna

    Seriously I like having such healthy discussions where ppl listen to each other.

    Lily June 6, 2026 10:59 am
    Zig has already decided on side story 3. And omoo, this comment thread is my fav so far. Like we seriously need this type of mature readers who are ready to accept the every aspect still having their own person... Hanna

    Mhmm and I'm patiently waiting for it ^^ zig made a really great series of stories within one universe and which what got me hook, unfortunately that's also where the conflict within readers of each stories comes from... First point of where some readers seem to can't understand is that each story is a different pov and some characters actions would only be understood once you read their own novel and second each characters has flaws and liking them isn't bad, which I seen some people seem to can't accept

    Fortunately, there's still many fans out there that u can talk to without having a headache but witnessing what happened in the fandom in twitter days ago, I fear we're far from having peace yet lmao

    Lily June 6, 2026 11:18 am
    So true, like the moment Ashley and Koi were introduced everyone started saying they are so good to Grayson what did Chase do to get neglected. Lol and I was thinking it's actually good that they neglected him(... Gm123

    I'm also a bit confused when they say Grayson is the fav, like they're forgetting he got almost choked to death , the reason why Ashley is keeping an eye on him is that to Ash he's the most "dangerous" not because of favouritism

    Chase indeed was very lucky, got his partner early, unlike his older brothers especially Grayson who've been searching for his fated for years, but it was fortunate and well deserved for him coz he really gonna die if he didn't

    They're family's situation is really tragic, so many what ifs, the more you read each of them and get the grasp of how second genders works in these universe

    Toru June 6, 2026 11:26 am
    What happened with kmiyc is the consequences of it being published at the time were the whole miller fam is not that flesh out yet (at least that's what I feel while reading the novels) now the only argument so... Lily

    You actually needed to read KML to know a bit more about them, there it was mentioned that they owned a famous lawfirm, they were 6 siblings, seen as crazy by the public. Father was a politician. The dog rumour was also mentioned. You knew that Chase was an actor, who used to cause problems, and didn't sleep with omegas. Grayson's younger brother. But I'm pretty certain she knew what she was doing with Grayson, there are a lot clues there, so it really fits that she later said that Grayson's story was the first she came of with.
    But I think that those who read KMIYC years ago read KML before.

    Lily June 6, 2026 11:48 am
    You actually needed to read KML to know a bit more about them, there it was mentioned that they owned a famous lawfirm, they were 6 siblings, seen as crazy by the public. Father was a politician. The dog rumour... Toru

    Oh right I almost forgot to factor KML whoops that's my mistake, but that's still surface level info about the millers, especially the deal with Ash and Koi was never explained yet and some others iirc I really need to backtrack a bit about the release order. Oh and I'm sure zig already knows what she'll do with Grayson, isn't he the first or at least one of the first characters she'd written?

    Maybe some who read kmiyc did read kml years ago, but seeing some people still gets surprised that this stories are actually connected, maybe just some of them yeah

    Toru June 6, 2026 11:53 am
    So true, like the moment Ashley and Koi were introduced everyone started saying they are so good to Grayson what did Chase do to get neglected. Lol and I was thinking it's actually good that they neglected him(... Gm123

    There are a few things that the manhwa/KMIYC only readers also are not aware of.
    Since Grayson is the only single left, Ashley and Koi are more concerned about Grayson. The others found a partner/partners who loves them and stabilize them.
    Another thing is that Grayson is not always going to his father for help, it was just the firefighters didn't have a hirering phase at that moment. And Ashley only gave in because Grayson was so excited that he moved his ears, which the manhwa didn't show, I found that strange since it important later.
    And I guess that a lot of them will think that Grayson is using Ashley's money (Dane and Bliss think that too, lol), but if you read KML ( was it novel only?) you know that he is a shareholder of Keith's firm. And in LMIKYC it was mentioned that he did investments with the family money for some time as a hobby. He is actually a lawyer, is pretty intelligent and clever, although he can be an idiot. So he is someone who would let money work for him, not the other way round. So he most likely spends his own money.

    Gm123 June 6, 2026 11:54 am
    I'm also a bit confused when they say Grayson is the fav, like they're forgetting he got almost choked to death , the reason why Ashley is keeping an eye on him is that to Ash he's the most "dangerous" not beca... Lily

    Now that I think of it, ig, Grayson also got a bit lucky cause of his incapability of not understanding or feeling anything. Like he endured all those punishments and getting choked and those disgust stares of Ashley because of that cs he never realised wht he has been going through but his body recognised. Otherwise he would have ended up with a trauma as well. N I'm also wondering they way he has sent a 10yr old Nathaniel to orgy parties, he has been doing the same with Grayson as well no? Like was scared of Grayson the most. My thoughts are going wild

    Lily June 6, 2026 11:54 am
    Oh right I almost forgot to factor KML whoops that's my mistake, but that's still surface level info about the millers, especially the deal with Ash and Koi was never explained yet and some others iirc I really... Lily

    Actually no, I'm now a bit more inclined on the fact that the problem lies on that Chase has few or at least never delve too much on his pov with his family in kmiyc so yeah, that's what I think at least

    Gm123 June 6, 2026 11:58 am
    There are a few things that the manhwa/KMIYC only readers also are not aware of.Since Grayson is the only single left, Ashley and Koi are more concerned about Grayson. The others found a partner/partners who l... Toru

    Didn't he also participated in Steward's research on Dom alphas?? More like a guinea pig??