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Plain_Jane June 26, 2026 3:29 am

I understand where you're coming from. LGBTQ+ representation is still lacking in a lot of mainstream media, so I get why queerbaiting is frustrating and why you want better, explicit representation.

That said, if your goal is to encourage people to support real LGBTQ+ stories, wouldn't it be more helpful to recommend series with confirmed queer characters instead of repeatedly spamming comment sections? It doesn't really start a conversation. It mostly ends up disrupting other people's reading experience.

I also think it's important to separate opinion from fact. Saying the author is intentionally queerbaiting for money is a serious claim, but unless the author or publisher has actually confirmed that, it's still speculation. In a discussion or debate, we need evidence, not assumptions about someone's intentions.

Your opinion is valid, but it's not the only one that matters. Other readers are allowed to interpret the story differently or simply enjoy it without being called delusional, homophobic, or fetishizers. What confuses me is that someone who values personal autonomy and the freedom to live authentically would criticize others for their preferences in fiction. Doesn't respecting personal autonomy also mean respecting other people's right to enjoy and interpret stories differently, as long as they're not harming anyone?

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    Kivomo June 26, 2026 3:34 am

    All this long essay words in your comment but I didn't see a single calling out your own fandom calling a gay man the f slur (yes in a derogatory slury way) and telling people to d1e overa deluluship in my comment reply. And it is a fact that korean author love to queerbait people

    Kivomo June 26, 2026 3:37 am
    All this long essay words in your comment but I didn't see a single calling out your own fandom calling a gay man the f slur (yes in a derogatory slury way) and telling people to d1e overa deluluship in my com... Kivomo

    I will never let you all ship in peace when your co shipper fandom is so toxic that brings hate to the gay community. Like lets all notice how you all call ne out like you all only have a problem with me and not people who keep on replying all this homophobic shit in my reply everytime I commented in this toxic manhwa fandom.

    Plain_Jane June 26, 2026 3:37 am
    All this long essay words in your comment but I didn't see a single calling out your own fandom calling a gay man the f slur (yes in a derogatory slury way) and telling people to d1e overa deluluship in my com... Kivomo

    If people called you a slur or told you to die then I absolutely condemn that. That's unacceptable regardless of who it's directed at and I never defended that behavior.

    My point wasn't about those people. My point was about your claim that this specific author is intentionally queerbaiting for profit. Saying "Korean authors love to queerbait" is still a broad generalization unless you have evidence that this author has actually admitted to doing that. Frustration with the industry is understandable, but we shouldn't present assumptions about someone's motives as facts.

    Likewise a few toxic fans don't represent an entire fandom, just as I wouldn't judge every LGBTQ+ person by the actions of a few individuals. We can call out harassment and still avoid making sweeping claims about whole communities.

    Plain_Jane June 26, 2026 3:42 am
    I will never let you all ship in peace when your co shipper fandom is so toxic that brings hate to the gay community. Like lets all notice how you all call ne out like you all only have a problem with me and no... Kivomo

    If people in the fandom are sending you homophobic comments, slurs, or death threats, then I genuinely condemn that. No one deserves to be treated that way, and those people should absolutely be called out.

    But I don't think it's fair to hold every reader or shipper responsible for the actions of the loudest toxic fans. I can disagree with your conclusions while also agreeing that homophobia and harassment are unacceptable.

    My point is that criticism should be directed at the people actually being hateful, not at everyone who enjoys the series or the ship. Likewise, saying the author is intentionally queerbaiting for profit is still a claim that needs evidence. Those are two separate issues, and I don't think one automatically proves the other.

    glowwwwy07 June 26, 2026 5:05 am

    Statistically 3-9% of the population is lgbtq, I'm not sure what underrepresented means here, because most shows I watch have minimum one gay couple and lots of east asian movie that won awards are lgbtq based.... For me, love is love period and I believe attraction is fluid. Multiple studies have shown at least for women, there are few truly heterosexual women. In this manga, I think they do a good job representing asexuals. It is written quite explicitly somewhat int he novels that natural born S- class just don't really feel "sexual" romantic attraction much anymore. So as much as I want this to be labeled bl, I don't really think it would make their romance more or less .... Asexuals don't fully deem themselves heterosexual or homosexual either, that Kivomo person is just blowing this out of proportion. Why do people have to be fucking to be a representation of the lgbtq community? There is a reason asexual still feel excluded from the queer community. Anyway, han yoojin and sunghae care for each other deeply, worry about each other (nobody worries about sunghae), have a kid together, work well together, call each other partner, make exceptions for each other and basically have said I love you to each other... Not sure what more you want from a couple... Even that for me is pretty much a fuckin perfect relationship.