Wow this was a really nice thought out comment, it makes me understand the miller family dynamic more
Nothing would have happened if Ashley would have seen them as children amd not Alphas. He did make wrong choices. He let his children go through the same things he went. Bad parenting played a major role in how things turned out to be. Accepting the failed parenting doesn't make Ashley a bad character. Ik Ashley wasn't bad and I understand his reasons as well but the children weren't bad either.
Thanks for clearing up the order because one of the main misunderstanding readers have is that Ashley separated Koi from them cause of Grayson, which wasn't the main reason.
lmao exactly. Not to mention when ash saw chase crying every day bc he was bullied by grayson and stacy his first thought was he hoped chase manifest as a dom alpha so he won’t bother him with his cries anymore. Like?? I thought you want one of your kids as a normal person. Also when dane confront him about his abuse to grayson he put all the blame to grayson about chase cutting off contact with them like son you are also part of the problem
Yeah, he was like why bother in emotions that he will gonna stop feeling after manifestation. The parenting arc was terrible
All u said was true plus even before Chase knocking on their door, Al mentioned that Ash only takes care of children because he doesn't like them spending time with Koi, the guy literally didn't want the children to smell their mother?! Even the oldest son recognized his behavior and distanced himself at six grade. What Grayson did was wrong but he was a 8 year old kid!!while Ash was a full grown man father of six and the responsible adult there?! Even if Koi would have died Ash had no right to abuse the kid in response.
Ohh God I am starting to hate Ashley more and more now, I already knew most it but u reminding me things switched it on more for me
Al could literally see thru what's going on Ash's mind. She even doubted how Koi got in invitation to such class audit. I wonder of Koi really couldn't see Ash's ulterior motives or chose not to see.
The writer in the text refers to Koi as "dense" several times. I wonder if the author themselves didn't think they could excuse the choices they made as parents without one of them being mentally impaired and the other one being dense which at this point i wonder why the hell they wanted to write about such characters? I have never read an story in which i had to remind myself the characters are incapable of knowing better. It was truly an experience
Maybe he was just too in love but who knows? I guess zig just wanted to write some toxic bl
That’s why when zig is trying to redeem ashley and koi in dmiyc as the ‘parents actually love their children’ plot i’m not buying it. I feel like zig just want to make the misunderstood toxic seme with sad backstory for most of their stories. Cecil (chase and josh’s 2nd son) already fall victim to this lol. I’m not even going to be surprised if she butchered josh + chase characters in the future peter cecil and spencer novel
Someone mentioned Cecil
Well, isn't that already been fore shadowed in one of the KML side stories?? I am not sure which one tho. And since this universe also focuses on parenting part a lot so, yeah there are chances.
yeah in kml side stories cecil is quite rude and in his monologue it was said nobody in the family listen to him when he complained but in kmiyc epilogue cecil is actually really cute and clingy to everyone
I would be so disappointed if zig does that, chase already went no contact with his family that should make a difference like chase should be the one breaking the cycle but I'm worried cause i don't know if zig themselves actually can write fluff or even want to write something wholesome
Spoilers ahead
Since Grayson is the central figure of the if you can series, it was actually him who broke the cycle at the end and changed the parents as well. And reg chase and josh parenting part, its already kinda hinted years ago so it won't be like zig suddenly changed it. She has made it very clear that she already ha decided the start and end of evey initial characters. Tbh, chase got least focus on his character among rest of the Millers. I hope to see some more on his character in the upcoming side stories.
Also, i think, since Chase usually compared to Ashley, and Ash was good until he becomes a parent, so chase might face the same thing. But yeah hopefully he will prove it wrong too.
Oh my.. i reread desire me recently.. and from this—my initial thought was—so Ashley lied to Dane?! Like when Dane asked him if he hurt Grayson, Ashley said along the lines of ‘if i hit him, do you think Koi would forgive me?’ So is he gaslighting Dane there? Cause he worded it in a way the he never laid hands to Grayson.. so in truth, he actually did? If he did—the punishment is downplayed in desire me ig
Yeah, he would have actually killed him if it's not for Koi. So yes reasons apart, his exact statement was 'I never hit my children '. Well yes he didn't do that with any of the other children but Grayson. And he wanted to scare Dane so that Dane would leave Grayson so he put all the blame on Grayson. What actually shook me in that conversation was that when Dane told him that his own son was raped by an omega, his reaction was like thank god it was him who was raped and not the opposite.
"Thank God it was him that was raped" WTFF??
Deymn.. Ashley is really something.. Now i kinda feel that maybe Dane see through his deception which is why instead of getting scared he just told Grayson to show what he feels atm when Dane is around instead of his fake smiles, i also remember how Grayson tiptoes around Ashley—it just shows how he’s scared of his Dad unknowingly since he can’t process emotions but his body does show it. Imagine if Grayson has no alexithymia—his trauma would probably show more
Ikr, Dane himself was shocked by Ashley's reaction and Ashley recognised the expression on Dane's face. It was the same disgust face that Ashley used to looked with at Grayson.
I am stating some incidents which were there in the last 15 chapters of the Novel LMIYC. I am seeing so many peopl keep mixing up orders of incidents.
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People keep saying Koi was only separated from the children after the poisoning incident.
But that's not what the novel shows.
Long before Grayson poisoned Koi, Ashley had already started separating Koi from the children because they interrupted the time he wanted to spend alone with him.
When Chase kept wandering through the mansion, knocking on doors and looking for Koi, Ashley wasn't worried about his child.
He was annoyed that Chase is disturbing his quality time koi.
"Damn it, I should have gone outside."
The novel literally says:
"Whenever Ashley tried to spend time alone with Koi, the other children seemed to know exactly what was happening and constantly interfered."
Ashley then thought:
"I need a way."
His solution wasn't to spend more time with his children.
It was to get rid of the "problem."
He came up with an excuse to send Koi away for an audit that lasted six months, keeping him away from the children because he wanted Koi to himself.
This all happened before the poisoning incident.
So the idea that Koi was first separated from the children because of Grayson poisoning him is simply incorrect.
Then, after the poisoning incident, people reduce everything to, "Grayson got locked up because he deserved it."
Again, that's not what happened.
Ashley slapped a little boy repeatedly, cursed at him, and then—
"He even squeezed the boy's neck, intending to suffocate him immediately."
That isn't discipline.
Ashley always used to separate them that Nathaniel noticed. And the very first time Ashley separated Koi from kids was after that Chase knocking the door nd disturbing their time(fwop fwop) time. They keep their children alone with nannies. After 6 months when Koi returned things changed. Then happened the poison incident which gave Ashley full control over the children and Koi and a proper excuse to fully separate them. I know Ash conditions and reasons as well but the methods he has been using were wrong.
The poisoning was undeniably wrong.
But why is it so difficult for some people to acknowledge something the novel itself repeatedly shows?
Ashley failed as a father.
Koi later admits his own regrets and failures as a parent.
Recognizing their failures doesn't erase Grayson's responsibility.
It simply recognizes that a child raised in harsh punishments, emotional neglect, and a completely distorted understanding of love was failed by the very people who were supposed to protect him.
That's not making excuses.
That's acknowledging what the story itself tells us.