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Yeah, basically, he could’ve just not raped him. Bro literally drugged him and then raped him, and the story just brushed it off like it was nothing. He didn’t even properly ask why he did that he just kept avoiding the question, so bro decided to drug him and sexually assault him just to get answers. Like… that was rape, bro. And I would call him endgame though.We haven’t seen another actual ML, but apart from him there’s barely anyone who could realistically be the endgame. His brother doesn’t exactly count, so yeah, I think that’s probably where the story is heading.

Exactly bro, like literally I can’t accept or even forget the fact that guy raped geonmu for what just because he was lying to him, I mean even that is wrong but that doesn’t mean rape is best revenge for lying at all, I mean somehow due to that I kind of feel odd towards taeoh as he doesn’t even have anything like that somehow feels to me though but yeah we don’t know about it though but I can’t forget at all and move on from that, I mean literally taeoh’s friend could make better for geonmu I mean as exception case wise if you have to point out also brother wise it’s obsession literally even taeoh also, poor geonmu doesn’t have normal person to love him properly as he deserves it as this definition of someone becoming criminal due to situation. I mean it’s crazy thinking most manhwa is like rapist become your lover but in real life scenario it’s scary as hell bro I mean it’s pure definition of stockholm syndrome.

The biggest problem is that these stories almost never let the victim actually acknowledge or confront the fact that they were raped. I can count on one hand the number of BL manhwas where a sexually assaulted victim genuinely confronts their rapist and the story treats it for what it actually was. Because the moment the story seriously acknowledges it, readers have to see that character as a rapist—not just as the “ML who made a mistake.”

And this is especially ridiculous when the character isn’t even some gangster or psychopath. Taeho, for example, isn’t some mafia boss raised in an environment where consent apparently doesn’t exist. He’s a normal person. Whether the character is an actor, athlete, teacher, or whatever, being a normal person means they should understand that forcing themselves on someone is rape. You don’t need a criminal upbringing to know what consent is.

Yet authors constantly avoid acknowledging that reality. They want the character to commit something as serious as rape, but then conveniently remove all the consequences, confrontation, accountability, and even basic recognition that it happened.

Have you ever seen a BL where a rapist is actually acknowledged as a rapist, the victim files a case, and the law actually deals with it? Never. Law literally doesn’t exist in BL societies, whether it’s modern-day or whatever setting. I haven’t even read a single story where a rapist gets convicted, and the story actually treats it as rape instead of brushing it off as romance or smut. Because authors know that the moment they introduce actual laws, consequences, and accountability, the whole “romance” narrative starts falling apart.

And if you remember chapter 2, the ML was drugged, but he was still the one who forced himself on the MC. Then in the very next scene, after they wake up, he threatens the MC, saying he’ll report him for drugging and raping him—when the MC literally didn’t rape him and was actually helping him.

Bro, I understand that you were drugged, but if you’re going to start talking about laws and rape in chapter 3, what the fuck were you thinking when you were the one forcing yourself on him in chapter 2?

Actually being part of the community or group I would say is there is none single actual change brought up even there is for lots of people but for me it’s just no change as there is usual cliche elements being followed upon though but as bl or yaoi industry is climb up to success than genuine writings to be honest, like especially in Japanese bl drama industry wise the actors use it as climb up to industry I mean there is nothing wrong with it using it like that as I am surprised and feel so overwhelmed there are still people doing bl to represent the community even not being part of the community or being part I guess idk, as I am not doing an assumption or clarification on it as it’s their sexuality as it’s none of my business it’s their life and they have money they do what they want, so my point is its business than actually showing the social side of gay community especially. I don’t have any single expectation on this community at all making good bl dramas or even manhwa as there was good ones it ended though but somehow I have this hope there are people coming with change and goes unknown as I think it’s better staying genuine and authentic to your art and creativity than spreading the out everything wise.

Again no wonder gay community don’t like the genre at all as it’s really understanding but it’s more like hate I would say even though it’s an strong word but I would prefer using that, as there are lots of cliche and stereotypes yet used and people cheer on it and not even noticing on it at all just straight away ignore as characters are handsome so what does it matter if he rapes or being experienced guy or not.

Yeah, exactly. You see this with BL dramas too. There are plenty of actors who aren’t gay but participate in BL because they know there’s a huge audience around it, and that audience brings them attention, fame, and money. I don’t usually talk about TikTok because it’s banned in my country, but even on Instagram, you can see people who clearly use BL-related content to gain attention from the community and build their platforms around it. Obviously, I’m not saying every actor or creator is doing this intentionally, but the commercial side of the industry is definitely there.

And when it comes to manhwa, I’ve heard that a lot of BL manhwa is written by women, and that these stories often reflect how their creators perceive men, relationships, social status, and society. That’s probably why you still see certain stereotypes, criminal behavior, power dynamics, and outdated social ideas repeatedly reflected in these stories.

But if you’re going to write about human relationships, you should still acknowledge the human aspect of them. Fiction is fiction, sure, but you’re still writing about human experiences. You can create whatever fantasy you want, but basic psychology, social consequences, stigma, consent, and interpersonal dynamics don’t suddenly stop existing because the story is fictional.

And that’s the bigger problem I have with a lot of BL nowadays. Authors find a formula that sells, and then everyone starts following the same formula. Playboy ML, inexperienced MC, toxic behavior, sexual tension, trauma, redemption, repeat. They rarely want to step outside that formula and actually explore the social structures and stigmas surrounding these relationships.

It feels like everything has to revolve around sex and romance, while the serious issues that could actually make the story interesting are treated as inconveniences that need to be brushed aside. Why not actually confront those issues? Why not show how society, family, discrimination, stigma, consent, or even the characters’ own understanding of relationships affects them?

Authors aren't limited to writing the same tropes over and over. They can think outside the box. And maybe as the industry grows, that will gradually change. But honestly, I think meaningful change in the way these stories are written could still take decades. If BL continues to be treated primarily as a fantasy genre about queer relationships rather than stories exploring genuine human experiences, I don't see the writing changing anytime soon.

Yeah, and I think part of the reason BL still isn’t widely accepted as a genre is because of how heavily its older works relied on non-consensual relationships. If you look at older yaoi, consent was often barely treated as a concept at all. You’d constantly see rape, coercion, sexual abuse, even predatory age-gap dynamics being used as plot devices.

And I think some of that came from how queer relationships were historically viewed as unconventional or “unnatural.” Instead of portraying them as normal relationships between two people, stories often leaned into the idea that something had to be wrong, taboo, or forced about the relationship. The problem is that those tropes didn’t just stay in the past—they became normalized within parts of the genre.

Compare that to a normal romance story. Even when there’s sexual content, consent is usually at least something the narrative acknowledges. But with BL, sometimes you literally have to ask, “Is there sexual assault in this?” before starting a supposedly normal story, even if it’s labeled shounen-ai.

And the worst part is how normalized it has become among readers too. You’ll see people say, “It’s yaoi, obviously there’s going to be non-con, why are you complaining?” Like, bro, that shouldn’t be an automatic expectation of an entire genre.

Imagine someone who has never read BL picking up their first BL manhwa and the ML is literally forcing himself on the MC in chapter one. Do you seriously think that person is going to look at it and think, “Wow, I should definitely explore more of this genre”? Probably not.

That’s why I think the genre needs to move forward. BL doesn’t have to completely abandon dark stories or sexual content, but rape and coercion shouldn’t be treated as an inherent feature of the genre. If authors want to write those themes, they can actually confront them seriously instead of using them as romantic tropes and expecting readers to accept it simply because “it’s BL.”

You are so true on women being writers of this most, as similar I read on the use the submissive or bottom characters as their guy or themselves being viewed and wrote those things like I mean it’s like just doing an disguise yourself as men being women like , I mean I was seriously grossed out even writing rape as showing their hatred for their break up they had and even their anger on their bf like the people who read this think like it’s what happens in life also, I mean it’s fiction but sometimes we forget it and immerse it as reality , this why the films or novels written by gay men changes whole dynamic as it shown their experience being gay person facing discrimination, feeling outcasted, kicked out or disowned, reality of STDs, open relationships and even more gay dating apps which can be really terrifying also the most dangerous thing conversion therapy and religious contexts being added inside their head all along as something like they are impure and disgraceful as that shows the reality and unexpected consequences faced by gay men, as I can name an realistic portrayal of gay community, like holding my man and a latin movie i don’t remember the name but it is the most realistic portrayal of gay men faces in real life is like, that is pure emotion and human struggles faced by them and these two films remain my fav as these women writers should watch films or even just watch real life documentary to understand the reality of gay men facing in society like as we should be sensitive with these topics as they are human like us just because they like someone of their same sex doesn’t make them different or weird at all as they are one of us and will be everytime all along.