Opinions on manhwas that (in a way) condone SA?

I am tired of it, too, and might I ask you if you read the flashlight update? It didn't sit right with me, but nowhere is a safe space.

It got to the point where I think I am a bit numb/desensitised to some "lighter" presentations of it in a way bc it is rare to find one that doesn't have it at all, specially in omegaverse that my favourite verse.

It doesn't make you too woke, but bc ppl who dislike this are a minority and most paying readers are still ok with it, there isn't much that can be changed bc the writers will only get the message when the money stops coming.

Some of the authors mock the online backlash when ppl complain about this kind of content so...

okay I'm going to go through everything and state my personal experience and opinions. First of all, it is 100% the fuck not just yaois, im very very sick and tired of seeing people say shit like "oh all yaois are like this!" when that's not true at all. straight comics are the same, or worse, why does eveyone keep forgetting straight is the norm??? personally I don't read much straight but trust me if you see a bl, just know there's a SL like that somewhere in the world, there's SL for every little thing because there's just more Straight fiction like there's more straight people SHOCKERS.

the bl community just has the unfortunate luck of being smashed into one singular community since gay is minority and the louder people just so happens to like toxic stuff. straight fiction lovers have MASSIVE community that they have different sections, if you don't go to the weird toxic sections you won't even know they exist but trust me they do! it's rhe same thing as people having a weird belief that GL is he mother angel of all healthy relationship when there's tons of rape GL

secondly, I fully understand what you mean by sa shown as something bad vs sa not serving any purpose and being dismissed, im someone who finds enjoyment reading fictional sa and also gets pissed off DEPENDING ON THE SPECIFIC SERIES you can very very much always tell what the authors intetions are
if it's just fetish content you'll know from the beginning (the ones full of sa)
and then there's some that sa is part of the plot/development
and there's some that it happens once, serves no purpose on the story, and they just brush it off (the one that pisses me off the most.
what I'm trying to say is, you can't go to a straight up fetish content and complain about why there's fetish content, infront of the target audience, who are people with that fetish. it's like going to somebody else's space and complaining why they are there.

sigh the long awaited argument.. if fiction effects reality. I won't go too deep into it since this conversation between profic and anti almost never ends in good notes so I will only point out that you said how much teenagers consume these medias and to you I will say teenagers should not be consuming these medias AT ALL. forget fictional rape or sa, they shouldn't be consuming yaoi or smut at all. and I know i know someone's gonna say that "well they'll do it regardless" I myself is one of many, all teens seek out porn at some point but at the end of the day it is a parents job to supervise them. I'm afraid if your child thinks it's okay to rape or get raped just cause of some retarded little comic about men fucking men then you've failed to do your job as a parent.

omg wtf happening in flashlight I have yet to read s2 why do they do this to manhwas that serves no purpose TT

honestly making fetish rape content for the money? lowkey go get that bag girl but adding it to stories that's entire appeal was somthing entirely different? oh god just boycott that author out

I fully agree with you on most of those, you explained it better than me tbh. TBH the whole "fiction affects reality" thing is 50/50 for me. Authors aren't responsibls for what others read, but then again - when put into this argument, SA should not be romanticized regardless.

And I agree that there's a HUGE difference in between straight and homosexual fictions, like, HUGE. And yes, there's a lot of SA in straight media, however I personally did at certain moments notice that it's way more criticized in straight media compared to gay media - but then again, that's just me.

When it comes to the whole fetish thing, I do understand that, even though I personally don't find SA being... appaling, in any way. I mean I grew up on reading sick shit on Wattpad and AO3, none of this is news to me tbh.

Regardless, good points pal.

Last night's chapters left me appalled. It was foreshadowed, but it doesn't mean it disturbed me less just bc I knew it was gonna happen.

Well I am here on this free site, so I haven't paid anything so I kinda feel like my opinion isn't as relevant as the active payers who still do it lol

This will be a long one:

Tbh on a deeper level, I think this reveals a darker side of south korean culture (specifically with manhwas which I read the most, I can't comment as much on others) bc they seem to have a warped understanding of consent and normalise violence in romantic relationships.

Considering scandals such as the burning sun, korean women being victims of not only SA in person, but also online it kinda makes me think we are seeing a snapshot of the zeitgeist.

I just searched right now and got alarming statistics like 1 in 5 korean women suffer domestic violence (including physical, sexual, financial and emotional). The numbers are worse for foreign women who live there on partner visas btw.

Considering authors are in majority women, I don't think they are 100% fetishising it necessarily, but I think there is a layer of coping in this, too.

If they actively recognise it as problematic in a country that laws usually side with men, they won't be able to use their art to 1) treat those wounds and emotionally work through those traumas via characters and 2) romanticise it in a way to make it less heavy and 3) cope in reality and continue having relationships.

Not that I think every author falls into this criteria, but those are sort of common coping mechanisms used by victims of DV. Many of them might not have been direct victims, but grew in violent families so it is normalised and they lack the perspective of what is actually DV as well as they under report violence in general bc offenders get out of jail easily and it is taboo/lots of victim blaming. It is a bigger problem than just the portrayal in media.

It isn't 100% dissimilar to what happens in other countries, but I think in cultures that there are stronger legal support to women, this kind of topic is more debated and frowned upon and there is more care in media bc they know there'll be backlash/financial consequences.

I don't think anyone "normal' will start SA'ing people bc they saw it on a piece of media. Even if they were in contact with this kind of content at a young age. For it to actually become an inspiration to someone, this person needs to have previous circumstances and mental health issues that will be fed by it (but not created by the media itself).

I think it puts minors more at risk to be groomed and normalise abuse irl for not knowing what a healthy relationship looks like, so they become easy targets to predators out there, but I agree with you that it is the family's responsibility to deal with that. Though it is unrealistic to think teens in 2026 won't try to access porn in any form, that's why they need education from good sources outside the internet to learn a balanced view.