@ComehereLMFAOOO Now you're crying about blocking while repeatedly chasing me across comm...

@Comehere LMFAOOOO BITCH, I’VE UNBLOCKED YOU NOW. COME ON, LET’S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION YOU’VE BEEN BEGGING FOR. LET’S SEE IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE ANY ARGUMENTS WHEN YOU CAN’T HIDE BEHIND “GO READ DISNEY STORIES” AND WHATABOUTISM. COME ON, GIRL, ENLIGHTEN ME. I’M ALL EARS.

Well I was waiting for you now now tell me about it

@Comehere YOU LITERALLY BEGGED ME TO UNBLOCK YOU SO WE COULD TALK, AND NOW YOU’RE LAUGHING BECAUSE I REPLIED??? BITCH, ARE YOU ALWAYS THIS CONFUSED, OR AM I GETTING A SPECIAL PERFORMANCE? YOU OPENED THE DOOR YOURSELF AND NOW YOU’RE SURPRISED SOMEONE WALKED IN. LMFAOOOOO, PLEASE PICK A PERSONALITY AND STICK TO IT.

Now now let's talk about rape then

GIRL, I’VE BEEN SAYING THE SAME THING THIS ENTIRE TIME EROS RAPED PSYCHE, AND YOUR DEFENCE HAS BEEN EVERYTHING EXCEPT AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT. You admitted he manipulated him so now explain why you're so busy comparing him to Ilay, Caesar, and Zhenya instead of addressing HIS actions. And please, don't start with the “you hate Eros” or “go read Disney” routine again. You asked me to come back and explain myself, so here's your chance to finally respond to the actual point instead of changing the subject. YOUR TURN, BABE.

Okay so how did Eros raped him? When he released himself and was just staring at Psyche, didn't Psyche gave a green light saying "more please more" even if he thought it was a dream? And before Eros fingered him, Psyche said "do it" only then did Eros went ahead. Yes there was sexual assault but rape? When Eros asked for his consent?

First of all, which chapter are YOU talking about? Because I’m talking specifically about Chapter 9, and I don’t care what happened in Chapters 17, 19, or 20. This entire argument is about Chapter 9, so let’s stick to that particular chapter instead of dragging in unrelated events. If you’re here to have an actual argument, be serious and address what happened in Chapter 9. Otherwise, there’s no point in continuing this conversation.

Yes I'm talking about chapter 9 particularly

I'm arguing about all this based on chapter 9 and 10

GIRL, THAT'S LITERALLY THE POINT. Eros made Psyche fall asleep, undressed him while he was unconscious, and Psyche's own inner monologue says he couldn't move his body because of Eros. How are you going to use words Psyche said afterward as proof of consent while ignoring that Eros had already put him in a vulnerable, incapacitated state? That's like drugging someone, taking their clothes off while they're unconscious, and then claiming everything was consensual because they later said “yes” without fully understanding the situation.

Well it isn't not a rape for me since legally speaking,an act can be classified as rape in one country while being categorized as a completely different offense or not even a crime at all in another. And if we speak about korea's law because it's a korean bl, i don't think its a rape because in their law, rape is penile-vaginal intercourse accomplished through physical violence or threats. Because Eros used a finger and Psyche said "do it," it completely fails to meet their legal definition of rape. So just because the legal definition in your country says it's rape does not automatically make it rape in other countries with different legal codes.

And I remember one time when readers of a certain manhwa were calling a character rapist because he was having sex and cumming on the face of his sleeping partner but the Korean author themselves cleared it saying it was not a rape and he was not a rapist and since these are usually written under South Korean legal and cultural contexts, it doesn't fit the definition of rape. But you can just take him as a rapist if your country's law says it is

GIRL, BUT DID YOU EVEN READ CHAPTERS 10 AND 11 PROPERLY? Because you're so busy quoting Psyche saying “do it” that you're conveniently ignoring what happens afterward. In Chapter 11, Psyche literally tells Eros, “Stop,” “Pull out,” and “Stop it,” and Eros continues instead of stopping. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ARGUE THAT THIS WAS CONSENSUAL WHEN HE EXPLICITLY WITHDRAWS HIS CONSENT AND TELLS EROS TO STOP?

And the context matters here, too. Psyche is in a hallucination-like state, somewhere between being asleep and conscious. He doesn't properly understand what's happening, and his own words about Eros explain that people who come near him experience abnormal lustful feelings and bodily reactions. So you cannot simply take “do it” out of that situation and treat it as proof of fully informed, voluntary consent.

Even if you want to argue that Psyche initially agreed to a particular act, consent can be withdrawn at any time. Saying “stop” and “pull out” means stop. Consent to an earlier act does not give Eros permission to continue after Psyche withdraws it. And if Psyche was incapacitated or unable to make an informed choice in the first place, that raises an additional consent issue.

Regarding Korean law, I am not saying that I directly add clauses to Korean laws. In simple terms, Korean law can treat sexual acts differently depending on what happened. Article 297-2 of the Criminal Act covers certain forms of penetration using a finger or another body part. Article 299 covers sexual acts involving a person who is unconscious or unable to resist. The exact legal classification depends on the specific facts and the legal requirements, but it is not correct to claim that finger penetration can never qualify as rape or another serious sexual offence under Korean law. More broadly, if a person continues a sexual act after the other person clearly says “stop” or “pull out,” that conduct can legally constitute rape under South Korean law, depending on the facts and the applicable elements of the offence. In other words, the fact that Psyche initially said “do it” would not erase his later withdrawal of consent; continuing after that withdrawal is still legally significant so it is considered rape.

So please, read Chapters 9, 10, and 11 together instead of treating one line of dialogue as if it erases everything that follows. Psyche telling Eros to stop and Eros continuing is not a minor detail you can conveniently ignore just because you want to defend Eros. If you still disagree, address that specific scene and explain how continuing after Psyche explicitly says “stop” is supposed to be consensual. YOUR TURN.

And before you bring up the “one country considers it rape, while another doesn't” argument again, let me clarify something. There is no single universal criminal law that defines rape identically in every country, but differences in legal terminology do not make non-consensual sexual acts consensual. Countries may classify particular acts under different offences, but that doesn't erase the underlying violation.

Now, let's address your obsession with Psyche saying “do it.” WHY ARE YOU TAKING THOSE WORDS AS VALID CONSENT WHEN PSYCHE WASN'T EVEN IN HIS RIGHT MIND? He was in an altered, hallucination-like state, somewhere between being asleep and conscious, and he didn't properly understand what was happening to him. He believed he was dreaming, and the story itself establishes that Eros causes people around him to experience abnormal lustful feelings and bodily reactions. You cannot take a statement made under those circumstances, strip away all the context, and automatically treat it as a fully informed, voluntary agreement to sexual activity.

Consent isn't just about whether someone utters the words “yes” or “do it.” The person must have the capacity to consent and must actually be agreeing to the activity in question. If someone is asleep, unconscious, or sufficiently impaired that they cannot understand what is happening or make a voluntary choice, their words or reactions cannot automatically be treated as valid consent. That is precisely why Psyche's state of mind matters here. His initial “do it” is not some magical permission slip that makes everything Eros does afterward consensual.

And it doesn't end there. In Chapter 11, Psyche explicitly tells Eros to “stop” and “pull out,” yet Eros continues. Even if you somehow insist that Psyche initially consented, consent can be withdrawn at any time. An earlier statement does not give someone permission to continue penetrating another person after they have clearly demanded that they stop.

And let me make one thing very clear: in my own country, the law doesn't classify every form of non-consensual sexual penetration against a man under the specific legal definition of rape. Depending on the circumstances, it may instead fall under sexual assault or another sexual offence. That doesn't mean I'm personally okay with it, nor does it mean I don't understand what rape is. I can distinguish between a country's legal terminology and the actual violation of consent. So please don't confuse my understanding of the law with my personal feelings about the act.

I'm discussing this from a legal perspective because YOU brought up legal definitions to argue that Eros didn't rape Psyche. Once you introduce the law into the discussion, you cannot selectively use it only when you think it supports your argument while ignoring the relevant provisions, the circumstances surrounding consent, and Psyche explicitly telling Eros to stop and pull out.

Yes, this is fiction, and yes, the story takes place in an ancient setting. But that doesn't mean we have to ignore the actions depicted or pretend consent is irrelevant. We're discussing how the scene can be interpreted, including whether the conduct depicted constitutes rape. The fact that the story is fictional or set in an ancient world doesn't automatically invalidate that discussion.

My argument is that Eros raped Psyche because Psyche was not in a proper state to give informed, voluntary consent, and later explicitly told Eros to stop and pull out, yet Eros continued. His initial “do it” cannot be isolated from those circumstances and treated as blanket consent to everything that followed.

You are entitled to interpret the scene differently, but saying that your personal interpretation or a simplified description of one country's law settles the matter doesn't make it so. If we're discussing the legal classification, we need to examine the actual statutory provisions and the facts. If we're discussing the narrative, we need to examine the entire encounter. Either way, you cannot erase the lack of consent simply because you disagree with the label I'm using.

Well this is why I'm arguing with you, whether it was consent or not, I don't see that as a rape whether it is from an ancient setting and no I'm not selectively using to support my answer because from the STARTING itself, i didn't see that as a rape and I know very well that you are saying it's a rape just because Psyche was thinking it was a dream and that he didn't CONSENT it. Also didn't Psyche tell him to stop because it was dirty? And I see in almost all bls that the bottoms tells top to stop but they don't.
Also, not all countries implies that nonconsensual sexual act without penetration is a 'rape' you can fight however you want but in those countries which doesn't follow your legal codes,it's useless. Just because you say it's a rape doesn't mean it you are right and implies to every country and this is where I was differing and arguing in the first place about rape

And until and unless the author themselves clear it, it's not a rape for me

Well I'll still stand by my words that laws of many other countries including South Korea, the act mechanically does not meet the strict legal definition of "rape" like i said earlier ,their criminal codes strictly define rape as penile-vaginal intercourse accomplished through physical violence or threats. Just because you think it's not consent, he was not in his right mind,it's a rape and only rape,like you are saying everything you are saying is CORRECT and others are wrong well go visit some other countries which doesn't implies this modern consent laws, you'll know and yes if it was a different situation,I might agree with you) but here its a different opinion for me

Let's say for example if some countries allows LGBTQ marriage does it means every country should? This is how you are sounding, saying it's a rape and everyone should agree that it's a rape. CONSENT or without CONSENT, if there was no genital penetration its not a rape but sexual assault for me. Also, even if Psyche was thinking it's a dream, psyche could have said no couldn't he? Eros asked him didn't he? It's not fully Eros fault and yeah I'm not supporting Eros here but you still say it's a rape because of this particular "CONSENT" to back up every words of yours

GIRL, YOU'RE LITERALLY GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES AND KEEP CHANGING YOUR ARGUMENT EVERY TIME YOUR PREVIOUS ONE FALLS APART. FIRST, YOU MAKE A PERSONAL STATEMENT THAT YOU DON'T CONSIDER IT RAPE. THEN, WHEN I CHALLENGE THAT, YOU SWITCH TO LEGAL DEFINITIONS. WHEN I ADDRESS THE LEGAL SIDE AND BRING UP SOUTH KOREAN LAW, YOU GO BACK TO YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION AGAIN. WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR ACTUAL ARGUMENT?

MAKE A PARTICULAR STAND AND STICK TO IT FOR ONCE. Are you arguing from your personal interpretation, or are you making a legal argument? Because you cannot keep switching between the two whenever one stops working in your favour. I have explained my position, addressed the circumstances in the story, and brought up the relevant legal provisions. Yet you keep moving the goalposts instead of properly addressing what I've said.

AND NO, JUST BECAUSE YOU PERSONALLY DON'T CONSIDER IT RAPE DOESN'T MEAN IT ISN'T. YOUR PERSONAL OPINION IS NOT A LEGAL RULING. If you're going to use South Korean law to counter my argument, then actually address the relevant provisions instead of retreating to “I don't see it that way” whenever your legal argument is challenged.

STOP DODGING THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION AND PICK A POSITION. If you disagree with me, give one consistent argument and defend it. Because right now, you're not even sticking to your own arguments long enough to defend them. You're just switching to a different one whenever the previous one gets challenged, and then pretending you've made a point. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE IF YOU KEEP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS INSTEAD OF ANSWERING WHAT I'M ACTUALLY SAYING.

I've already explained my argument using both the circumstances depicted in the story and the relevant South Korean legal provisions, and you still haven't managed to properly counter either.

IT IS RAPE BOTH LEGALLY, UNDER THE RELEVANT SOUTH KOREAN LEGAL PROVISIONS, AND ACCORDING TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES DEPICTED IN THE STORY.

At this point, you're just going around in circles because you refuse to stick to one argument. Every time your previous argument falls apart, you switch to something else, whether it's your personal interpretation, other BLs, the author's intentions, or legal definitions. Half the things you bring up are completely irrelevant to the actual argument, and you still haven't properly addressed the points I've made.

Honestly, it seems like you're so stubborn about defending your favourite character that you'd rather keep moving the goalposts than acknowledge the problems with your argument. You cannot make a personal claim, switch to legal arguments when challenged, and then retreat to your personal opinion again when those arguments are questioned. MAKE A PROPER COUNTERARGUMENT OR STOP WASTING MY TIME.

I don't give a fuck whether you personally want to consider it rape. Your personal feelings don't determine the legal classification, and repeating your opinion over and over doesn't magically disprove what I've explained. Either address my arguments directly and consistently, acknowledge the point I'm making, or move the fuck on. I'm done entertaining this endless cycle of irrelevant arguments and goalpost-moving.