Same vibe with abortions. Ok, so you forcibly stopped a woman from getting an abortion (very probable is that she wanted it becahse she couldn't afford to raise a child). So once their hero complex is satiated who is going to take care of a mother and a child. People mostly do not care about consequences, they only care to satisfy their selfish egos. That's about it. Now this concrete suicidal character – so imagine he got justice for his child and wife – but that won't bring them back, the reason they lost their lifes is still there and well. I can only see the story progressing with that son of a bitch dying. God I hate him.
i think the MC just has a savior/hero complex in general, not just towards suicidal people. but i get your point, it's the same reason why we have guilt complexes/PTSD after witnessing something traumatic. especially if you were a bystander, or you had the ability to help/make a difference in the outcome of a shitty situation, but couldn't/didn't. it's not any more or less selfish to blame yourself in that kind of situation, than it is selfish to commit suicide.
that kind of stress alone sends the brain into survival mode, you aren't really thinking about what the victim felt in that situation, your mind is thinking "how can i make this guilt go away" and the way it does that isn't always rational or the perfect moral solution.
like, realistically speaking, there's no way for people to view a suicidal's person suffering if not through our perspective. how can we exactly "see" from the victim's perspective? and you can't exactly ask the victim that cause they're dead. people say "it's not your fault" because that's what they can do, that's the comfort they can offer to the person who is alive, rather than the person who is dead. yes, they deserved comfort and support, but that ultimately doesn't matter because they're dead. and "maybe we should have offered comfort and support when they were alive" is just another differently-worded guilt complex. anything you offer to a dead person is just grief.
we shouldn't talk ill of the dead, but maybe we shouldn't put people who committed suicide on a pedestal/treat them like a martyr either. because how come committing suicide is not selfish, but those grieving them/blaming themself is?
you're not wrong for thinking that, but it does kinda slightly come across as "whataboutism" this is just my perspective as someone who has attempted before, take it w/ a grain of salt
i think the MC just has a savior/hero complex in general, not just towards suicidal people. but i get your point, it's the same reason why we have guilt complexes/PTSD after witnessing something traumatic. especially if you were a bystander, or you had the ability to help/make a difference in the outcome of a shitty situation, but couldn't/didn't. it's not any more or less selfish to blame yourself in that kind of situation, than it is selfish to commit suicide.
that kind of stress alone sends the brain into survival mode, you aren't really thinking about what the victim felt in that situation, your mind is thinking "how can i make this guilt go away" and the way it does that isn't always rational or the perfect moral solution.
like, realistically speaking, there's no way for people to view a suicidal's person suffering if not through our perspective. how can we exactly "see" from the victim's perspective? and you can't exactly ask the victim that cause they're dead. people say "it's not your fault" because that's what they can do, that's the comfort they can offer to the person who is alive, rather than the person who is dead. yes, they deserved comfort and support, but that ultimately doesn't matter because they're dead. and "maybe we should have offered comfort and support when they were alive" is just another differently-worded guilt complex. anything you offer to a dead person is just grief.
we shouldn't talk ill of the dead, but maybe we shouldn't put people who committed suicide on a pedestal/treat them like a martyr either. because how come committing suicide is not selfish, but those grieving them/blaming themself is?
you're not wrong for thinking that, but it does kinda slightly come across as "whataboutism" this is just my perspective as someone who has attempted before, take it w/ a grain of salt
Omg my exact thought ! Who are we to be responsable of someone else’s life !
Saving him from his suicidal impulse won’t erase the fact that he’s missing his loved ones and that he is lost without them.
Just living, eating, working is not a life
I'd like to ask a question too. Could you look into yourself in the mirror without feeling guilty after you let someone take their own life for whatever reason? How many times that need to happened for you to finally lose all your emotion? I've been suicidal for years. The only time I usually felt bad is when I saw suicide happened when I feel like I could prevent that from happening.
Everyone's life is their responsibilities. Preventing someone from taking their life is saving someone's life. But we are not responsible for their whole life. There are social worker for that or some establishment to help them.
Here's one thing I just can't ignore. Why do people always have this savior/hero complexity, especially towards people who are suicidal. I just really don't understand.
Let's say you manage to stop them from ending their life, but what would happen to them after that? What will you do for them? How will you handle being responsible for their life moving forward? Are you gonna give them a reason to continue living?
Which brings me to another point, why do we never see the progress of these people of getting better? 'Cause let's be honest here, the problems doesn't really disappear after a failed attempt.
Am I making sense? Something about our MC wondering if he's done something earlier would change what happened to this person. His daughter was sexually assaulted and publicly scrutinized to commiting suicide, and his wife was killed by the same perpetuator while trying to bring justice for their daughter. I don't think anything would keep that man from ending everything.
Now, don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate it when people are left no with no choice but to feel like ending their life to end their suffering.
I just find it selfish that we're looking at other people's suffering from our perspective. And I also find blaming yourself in these situation is extremely selfish, as you're making it not only about yourself but also focusing on what you feel rather than what they felt. Other people are quick to say "It's not your fault" and comfort you too, as if it was you who needed the support.
I feel like I'm being too ignorant about these but also believe I'm not in the wrong for thinking like this.
I'm sorry, it's just this chapter really hit something in me and I just can't stop thinking about it.