Ugh so annoying, the rape theme just never dies does it? What, the uke feels sorry so ever...

Then what do you want to happen?

Everyone's trash here （￣へ￣）

Me? For Palestinians to be free. Mandatory gender-neutral bathrooms... everywhere. Stricter Gun Laws. Free Healthcare. Pathways to citizenship for Daca Holders. More aid to Syria. For Gender Wage Gap to disappear. More representation for women and POCs in the government. For Police Enforcement to stop killing black people. For rape culture to stop being normalized in society and yaoi bc.. I LOVE YAOI and I hate seeing rape stories be told and make it seem like it’s normal and okay bc it’s not. U get me?

And I love you for this statement.

The thing is it wasn't okay, he was angry about it, but because the character thought of "why Nachi/uke does it" and just when he was about to make an action about it, he witnessed his rapist being raped right there and then, the character removed from looking at himself for being taken advantage to looking at the other person who clearly needs more help.

Nachi recognized and was remorseful of what he's done to Chiaki. Before he was raped, he has already concluded he is hated, yes he didn't apologize but at the same time he didn't press on like a jerk he once was. After he was raped, he was surely slapped on the face about what he did to Chiaki and realized what he did wasn't that far from what was done to him. Should he kill himself to be forgiven, should he have refused Chiaki's offer to be his companion post rape as atonement for what he did to Chiaki?

Nachi being raped was clearly not okay, as they tried to convince him that they would act on it but Nachi did not insist since he went on his self-berating mode. And people around him are not the type to take action with or without the person involved's decision.

So what should have happened? Everyone indicted and end the story?

You know what, the point’s moot. CLEARLY, the story is going to go on with the rape scene having forgotten bc the author is now going onto his backstory, how he’s basically everyone’s “girl,” in the dorm. How he had no choice but to act that way bc he’s so lonely and no one understands him. The story’s already being slanted that way. The seme already gaining sympathy. Go and keep defending these types of character, sige go lang. Rape culture in yaoi isn’t gonna go anywhere anytime soon, don’t even worry

Lol what's w ya'll she's right. Loneliness is not a reason for bein a btch

Um clearly, if he did things out of loneliness HE was the one being taken advantage of, before he even KNEW Chiaki. I believe that he was NOT a 'slut' and that even IF he was, it has NOTHING to do with rape let ALONE whether or not one 'deserves' to be raped (in my case it would require some EXTRAORDINARY circumstances, like in the case of one of Fukai Youki's stories, to even make a distinction between one rape and another, and absolutely impossible to make me say anyone ever 'deserves'/'deserved' it), in any case.

Yet the fact is you are making a distinction between what constitutes rape in Nachi's case (um HELLO Nachi's two childhood friends! How DID you get here?) and what does not in Chiaki's case because Nachi is a 'bitch' while Chiaki obviously is not, which makes it sound like you're the one defending rapists, just so you know... in case you wanna... maybe... correct that inaccurate impression you're giving.

See, there are rape victims who will actually read stories that have rape in them. They've simply said they have issues with the portrayal of rape when the narrative is NOT controlled by the victim. In Chiaki's case it's his choice whether or not he wants to forgive or remain friends with or close to Nachi. Saying he doesn't is what foments rape culture.

I say this because you seemed to be under the impression that all rape is, necessarily, indicative of rape culture. That's not what I've been told (since, sadly, it's simply that rape and rape culture are so heavily intertwined within the constructs of human society). I've had it said to me by these very same people that rape culture is blaming the victim for coming forward too late, then blaming them for coming forward too early, then blaming them for making those contradictory rules 'necessary' in the first place.

That is what I (and, I'm pretty sure, pennyinheaven) w(ere)as trying to say. So totally the opposite of what you believed was being said. T.

And here we have precisely the reason why I was attempting to clear up what seemed to me to be an obvious misinterpretation of what pennyinheaven was ACTUALLY saying.

4 paragraphs of HUUUH? Lool what’re you saying? Can’t you neatly organize your argument and make it concise? It’s almost like you’re pennyinheaven in anonymous since both of your writing styles are the same... both confusing and all over the place

Wow you are really so great, aren't you? I don't know what you are trying to find in this story that you even brag how well you write. Good for you for being so eloquent.

It's a trope. Someone as intelligent as you are, why would rape culture be equated/associated to a trope? This is fiction. It's not even a surreal/realistic drama. You even immediately plotted down its narrative. So there is no point to be so triggered, indeed a moot point, so why did you read it if you're not into tropes? I actually commend the characters who actually felt remorse and admitted they did wrong, which is rare to find in rape yaoi trope. - this is what my long, confusing and out of place comment was about.

What were you expecting to find in this story, when it's a trope?

I didn’t get what you were saying, that’s the thing lol. You were beating around how many bushes when it’s so much easier to just simply say it.

Trope? Like a fiction? Dude you’re the one who’s triggered. My opinion is one out of many yet you’re coming for me. I read it bc I wanted to, the point above is my opinion of it. I know it’s fiction, I was just criticizing how rape has become so normalized in yaoi and it shows in this story. It’s an evidence, like how the act of force is just being swept under the rug bc the seme is starting to fall in love and cue the sad, messed up background of the uke that is somehow justifying his actions to the audience. Meh

Go ahead and commend the characters, I’m not stopping you, I’m not saying you’re wrong. Do whatever you want! Lol

This is rape culture bc it normalizes sexual assault. In a way, saying oh, it’s ok to sexually assault bc he didn’t mean to bring those 2 guys and hold his roommate down and forcefully blow him bc look how sorry and guilty he is afterwards. That is normalizing. It wasn’t ok. He can feel as sorry he wants, it doesn’t change that he did it.

I agree with everything you said. And at this point it has nothing to do with rpae being a 'trope' (Like WTF is that even!?) but how OLD and completely unoriginal this theme is. Can't think of away for your characters to get together? Have one raped the other! STILL not working? Have one be raped by some blank ass dude and get saved by Basic the Seme. Dude, I KNOW I have read this at least 30 times.

I have Same sentiments. I also write stories for myself and I know there are tons of ways to get them together without rape or it’s okay it has one (for me) but giving justice of that strong word is what matters for me. But it didn’t shows here any of that. No remorse.. just moving on to the lovely theme and it’s kinda.. yeah! Normalizing and forgetting the whole rape thing That it never happen coz of the paper counts (I just conclude that one).. or its just the way the mangaka just think of a story as it is. It’s just sad tho. That the characters are like- that...

No I can't make it neat and concise enough for ableist people like you. I am on the autistic spectrum, after all, sweetcheeks. But most non ableist people can STILL attempt to understand arguments that appear disjointed, 'confusing' or 'all over the place' as you 'apparently' believe mine were or, at least, ask for clarification, rather than immediately demanding that these people (in this case, me) argue STRICTLY according to YOUR (arbitrary) standards. (Not only that, it should have been clear from my grammar that I only have difficulty with organizing my thoughts and expressing myself, and, therefore, that there is something MORE going on than simply TRYING to confuse you. Or do you just think you're that special?) This along with the way you accuse pennyinheaven of making arguments that are confusing and all over the place, DESPITE the fact that you SHOULD have known that their first language is probably NOT English, only serves to make you appear very bigoted (racist and ableist). And does nothing to help make your original comments about what you want to happen appear as anything more than lip service.

Pennyinheaven and I are obviously not the same person since your 'confusion' in each of our cases OBVIOUSLY comes from very different places.

Funny that you couldn't understand me but you can understand the people who just proved my point. Look above, mmkay?

Finally, I had great difficulty understanding what you were saying since you were arguing things that pennyinheaven in no way ever said, but I at least tried (to understand). And I especially took exception to your immediate attack on them once I discovered that what was also being attacked was actually the exact opposite of what had been said.

Dude I just had a hard time understanding your argument. I didn’t even know you were autistic or that English is your second language. Fyi, English is also my second language. And... huh? Bc I was confused with what you were saying, you accuse me of being an ableist? I just didn’t get your point ok, you were saying so much that I was getting lost.

Dude. I STILL don’t know what you were arguing about. If you want to defend the story and defend the uke, GO FOR IT! Post a comment separate from my post. I’m not going to change my mind bc that’s what I took away from the fucking story. IT’S MY OPINION, STOP TRYING TO CHANGE IT BC IT’S NOT GONNA CHANGE!!!

You guys are two separate people? Ok good for you guys!

LOL yes!!! Like I even looked up what trope means but idk it doesn’t make sense that it’s being used as a comparison lol. And I know right, it’s so annoying how the events are unfolding like even how the uke has done such a shitty thing from the beginning and suddenly, with him being forced, now I gotta feel sorry for him? When he didn’t even say sorry to him or done any kind of repenting towards him?? His roommate was innocent and wanted nothing to do with their activities yet the uke brought two other guys and forces him. I was like wwooooow smh!

I know! I was so disappointed... maybe at least I can sympathize for the uke if he did say sorry or do something as a way to repent towards his roommate but yeah! NOTHING. It was just annoying how the story then goes its merry way to how they fall in love and that whole part of forcing is just forgotten and ignored.

You’re so right lol there could have been other ways for them to get together... like a whole lot!!! :((