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ThatBitch July 21, 2018 5:33 am

Please Don't read this. Only people who self loathe and hate themselves (like me) you are free to read this. But happy and bright people please don't read this. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

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    clouds July 21, 2018 7:07 am

    At least this relationship is portrayed as being abusive, and the legacy of the abuse for all concerned is ongoing. Too often in yaoi rape is regarded as "normal" and gets overlooked, which is bloody awful. At least with An Easy Target they call it rape themselves, and there isn't just a quick plaster fix to heal all the trauma. Personally in regards to the extra "what if...?" chapters, I think they were needed, as the original ending was fairly open, so this finishes things off in a more realistic way, as it shows that in every pairing, it will always be a struggle for Kyun-soo and his partner, as they live with the ongoing legacy of what happened. I don't think the pairing with the brother was believable though, it would be more likely that Yule would be the one he ended up (miserable) with. Whereas I guess most readers see Dong-hyuk as the best of a bad bunch, but at least in his story it shows that Kyun-soo is trying to move on, but is still realistically tormented by Yule, as though he has PTSD.

    wintry day July 21, 2018 1:42 pm
    At least this relationship is portrayed as being abusive, and the legacy of the abuse for all concerned is ongoing. Too often in yaoi rape is regarded as "normal" and gets overlooked, which is bloody awful. At ... clouds

    I agree~ although the rape scenes were quite distasteful to read through, we get to see that Kyungsoo was not your standard sub/uke/su who merely dismissed what was happening to him. I think it was how the emotions in his eyes were drawn and the numerous psychological implications this webtoon had that drew me to it.

    He actually confronted Yule about being raped by him and pointed out to the brother (Geon) the sick things he did to him. I apologise, but I still cannot fathom why the author made an ending with Geon. It seemed like Kyungsoo had more reasons to choose Dong-Hyuk or Yule (the third cover supports that). Out of all the interactions Kyungsoo had with Geon in the original chapters, all I saw was fear, revulsion, anger,etc, so why would he choose to live his life with the one person who...violently raped him and traumatised him repeatedly? (︶︿︶)

    ThatBitch July 21, 2018 3:24 pm
    At least this relationship is portrayed as being abusive, and the legacy of the abuse for all concerned is ongoing. Too often in yaoi rape is regarded as "normal" and gets overlooked, which is bloody awful. At ... clouds

    The original ending is open ended I accept that. Theres 2 possible scenario, that he went with yule or rejected him again and kept living a lonely life but either way Kyung-Soo will never be happy. So that is what hurts me the most. T_T

    wintry day July 21, 2018 3:45 pm
    The original ending is open ended I accept that. Theres 2 possible scenario, that he went with yule or rejected him again and kept living a lonely life but either way Kyung-Soo will never be happy. So that is w... ThatBitch

    I accepted the open ending too. Sure... he was still being stalked, but at least he was not physically isolated or imprisoned by those three. Sometimes, living the lonely life is the best option to begin healing. This webtoon should have a tragedy tag as it is so sad and tragic that Kyungsoo will never be happy or truly free. No amount of fluffiness can erase that horrible feeling that comes with reading this webtoon. ( T﹏T ) I wish I had read your warning. (︶︿︶)

    ThatBitch July 21, 2018 3:58 pm
    I accepted the open ending too. Sure... he was still being stalked, but at least he was not physically isolated or imprisoned by those three. Sometimes, living the lonely life is the best option to begin healin... wintry day

    IK I'm also shaken by this webtoon. I also ignored the warning and now i'm here feeling horrible for kyung-soo. I don't think a lifetime of healing would be enough for him they all broke his spirit so much I can't even imagine how is he living still now. He's very strong willed and resilient I really admire his quality. I wish nothing but love for kyung-soo. <3

    wintry day July 21, 2018 4:18 pm
    IK I'm also shaken by this webtoon. I also ignored the warning and now i'm here feeling horrible for kyung-soo. I don't think a lifetime of healing would be enough for him they all broke his spirit so much I ca... ThatBitch

    Kyungsoo is like my favorite character in this webtoon, ugh, I think that was what the author was going for...pulling our heart strings when it comes to Kyungsoo. He is exceptionally strong and admirable. Total <3ness. I strongly wish for a 4th ending where Kyungsoo gets a happy ending and therapy, no more hurt, no more nightmares. I am scared for Dong-Hyuk’s ending and even more terrified with Yule’s ending. (⊙…⊙ ) Because we all know by now, if Yule is involved...scary.

    clouds July 21, 2018 4:33 pm
    Kyungsoo is like my favorite character in this webtoon, ugh, I think that was what the author was going for...pulling our heart strings when it comes to Kyungsoo. He is exceptionally strong and admirable. Total... wintry day

    I'd still like to see more of Yule's perspective, as his motivations for the abuse weren't conveyed that well. It seems more likely that Kyun-soo would have ended up with Yule, Yule is codependent on Kyun-soo now, and everytime they separate he says he ends up stopping eating and sleeping and tries to stalk him. Goodness knows how he's coping if he's in hospital then. It would be interesting to see if his character can be developed, at the least, he accepts that he did rape Kyun-soo, and actually uses that word to describe what happens, so it was never glossed over as is usually the case in yaoi. Kyun-soo is going to be tormented by him, no matter how they end up, but it would be positive to at least see a proper apology and Yule receiving treatment that helps him deal with his problems.

    wintry day July 21, 2018 4:56 pm
    I'd still like to see more of Yule's perspective, as his motivations for the abuse weren't conveyed that well. It seems more likely that Kyun-soo would have ended up with Yule, Yule is codependent on Kyun-soo n... clouds

    Omg, I like your thoughts/analysis on this. (●'◡'●) Most readers would just go..there is no plot, rape porn, here for the hot guy, etc... the author has an opportunity to expand on Yule’s perspective and motivations with his ending, hope she doesn’t disappoint. Did you see the image she posted on her twitter? I saw Kyungsoo, but I am not sure of the person with their eyes closed in the background with him?

    Honestly, I think Yule is suffering from borderline personality disorder which drives his psychopathic actions/traits...he should be hospitalised in a mental hospital, for his and Kyungsoo’s sake but...hmmm...I am conflicted since Yule is now codependent on Kyungsoo like you mentioned. Funny how roles were reversed as Kyungsoo is no longer dependent on Yule with the open ending. I do not like the fact that even though we cannot consider Yule as Kyungsoo’s lover, Geon (brother) locked up Yule in a mental hospital and stole Kyungsoo away. That ending miffed me a lot. I am not saying Yule shouldn’t remain hospitalised, but I just don’t like cheaters and lover-stealers (haha, I do not know the term for that).

    Did you read the conversation between Kyungsoo and Yule when he mentioned that Yule was raping him everyday? I facepalmed. ( ̄∇ ̄")

    ThatBitch July 21, 2018 5:48 pm
    Omg, I like your thoughts/analysis on this. (●'◡'●) Most readers would just go..there is no plot, rape porn, here for the hot guy, etc... the author has an opportunity to expand on Yule’s perspective an... wintry day

    OH god you guys stirring up my emotions again. I'm conflicted about yule too. when he tried to sacrifice himself to choose between his life or kyungsoo i cried so much (for real). I wished his death on early chapters but at that point I was JUST NOT READY for him to die, I didn't want him to die. But after EVERYTHING i just can't trust yule anymore. I just can't. I know he loves kyungsoo and is probably recovering? My mind is telling me this time things may just be ok... BUT I JUST CAN'T. T_T

    clouds July 21, 2018 5:55 pm
    Omg, I like your thoughts/analysis on this. (●'◡'●) Most readers would just go..there is no plot, rape porn, here for the hot guy, etc... the author has an opportunity to expand on Yule’s perspective an... wintry day

    https://twitter.com/hhsis2/status/1020256532984782848
    This one? I think in the background it might be Kyun-soo on top of Yule looking down at him, and in the foreground it's Yule clinging onto Kyun-soo. I think it's Yule, as their is greater emotional dependency and pain with them.

    I didn't really think the story with Geon was the great, especially now we know he has been written to have his own love interest, like why is he so invested in his brother that he willing to commit a crime and destroy someone's life? As to the "what if" extra chapter, I never felt that Geon felt anything emotionally towards Kyun-soo, he felt annoyed that he fell into his brothers trap, and likely felt mortified and apologetic, but to the extent of wanting to "steal" Kyun-soo away from Yule and have a relationship, I don't think so. He already achieved his goal of getting his brother out of his life by detaining him at a hospital. Why would Kyun-soo go back to the environment of the brother and his house? He doesn't have any or much guilt towards the brother, in comparison to his feelings towards the other two men, and he never loved Geon, whereas he did love Yule, which is why the abuse was so horrific. It was understandable though that Geon said he didn't care if Kyun-soo wanted to top him, hurt him whatever, as pay back, but for Kyun-soo their pairing is purely a transaction, to keep Yule away from him.

    The next episode is out on the Korean site and is a "what if" with Dong-hyuk. They have a more domestic setting, buying food, and bickering like normal but during the sex scene Dong-hyuk mentions about Yule being put in hospital, and Kyun-soo sees Yule on top of him rather than Dong-hyuk, so he hugs him close in order to block out the bad memories. Basically Yule is always going to be tormenting him, even if he is not physically there.

    I could be wrong, but I think the google translation for the next episode said it would be a "what if" with Yule. I think this would have been the most believable option, even if it would be the most depressing. However, at this point in the plot the power dynamic has changed, Kyun-soo is no longer trapped physically, and it is Yule who is emotionally weakened and is the one who is dependent on their relationship to function. I would hope that it could show him being able to grow as a character, and have a formal apology to Kyun-soo, for his treatment in hospital to not be a punishment/remove him from their lives as was the case with the other two plots, but instead an opportunity for him to be rehabilitated. Reading back, there is so many scenes of them before the gang rape in the hotel, showing their relationship develop, being happy etc then you see more gradual signs of abuse like Yule controlling what Kyun-soo ordered to eat. So the tricky thing for them both, is that they did have love at one point, which was why the abuse was so horrid, as Kyun-soo thought Yule was someone he could trust, who he loved and cared for. I think in order for the plot to feel finished, we need to be able to understand the abusers perspective, do hopefully the final story will be with Yule, then we can move on.

    clouds July 21, 2018 5:57 pm
    https://twitter.com/hhsis2/status/1020256532984782848This one? I think in the background it might be Kyun-soo on top of Yule looking down at him, and in the foreground it's Yule clinging onto Kyun-soo. I think... clouds

    *there is (not their is)

    wintry day July 21, 2018 6:16 pm

    Sorryness, I just thought it would be interesting to discuss. (︶︿︶) I am mildly conflicted about Yule’s actions in that chapter where he stabbed himself. He said that “if he dies...I’ll never be able to touch him again.” I mean, there were numerous interpretations you could reach from that.

    For me, it was either 1) it affirms Yule’s selfishness and possessiveness towards Kyungsoo, like it is always about his needs, his wants, his desires, hence the “I.” If Kyungsoo died, Yule would no longer have someone to possess, control, and pardon the bluntness, have a sex toy to rape every night and cuddle in bed. During the time they were dating, he had control over what Kyungsoo wore, ate, etc and even mentioned Kyungsoo as an object to him. Essentially, without Kyungsoo, like @clouds mentioned, he could not function normally (haha, well basic living functions).

    2) Yule could not bear to lose Kyungsoo like he did with his mum and in addition to finally realising what a prick he was to Kyungsoo, he’d rather take his life then let Kyungsoo get killed. I mean, it could be the guilt and realization hitting him full on at that moment but... I mean, there are loads of ways to interpret that scene but just my two pennies’ worth. Honestly, I was hoping for a showdown Mortal Kombat style haha, two guys fighting over Kyungsoo, but nope— Kyungsoo ends up being a victim of a homicidal arsehole (Dong-Hyuk). The situation could have been handled in so many other ways, smh.

    I mean, the crux of that chapter or scene, IMO, was to question the reader: Would you want someone to die for you or someone to cause your death? Both are obviously selfish actions, but yeah... sorryness for my rambling. (︶︿︶)

    clouds July 21, 2018 6:22 pm
    https://twitter.com/hhsis2/status/1020256532984782848This one? I think in the background it might be Kyun-soo on top of Yule looking down at him, and in the foreground it's Yule clinging onto Kyun-soo. I think... clouds

    Nope, I was wrong about what characters are in the twitter pic. In the foreground it is from the scene where Dong-hyuk raped Kyun-soo. http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/hogu_hagyeongsu/mf/iur_chapter-63/pg-1/ Not really up for re-reading it all to find out the source of the second image.

    wintry day July 21, 2018 6:41 pm
    https://twitter.com/hhsis2/status/1020256532984782848This one? I think in the background it might be Kyun-soo on top of Yule looking down at him, and in the foreground it's Yule clinging onto Kyun-soo. I think... clouds

    Haha, I was about to post the link to the image but you beat me to it. XD I think in the background, it is Yule with his eyes closed (?). Ugh, I cannot interpret images well, maybe Yule is sleeping, is hurt? As for the foregound (with Kyungsoo blushing), I think that’s Dong-Hyuk, the hair is shorter and it looks like an image that came from that chapter that creeped me out when he raped Kyungsoo, wanting to be inside him forever ( ̄へ ̄).

    Darn-ness, one of these days, I gotta find out a term for people who steal other people’s lover. You are right on the mark — Kyungsoo had no prior relationship or connection to Geon, so the ending felt like fanservice or something. Yup, the ending was pretty much a transaction which was unnecessary really, IMO. I think Geon would’ve placed Yule in a mental hospital regardless of whether Kyungsoo entered into a deal with him or not— because he just wants revenge on Yule. So Geon’s actions are STILL about revenge on Yule. He brutally raped Kyungsoo for 5 days straight as revenge against Yule and now he’s still using Kyungsoo as revenge against Yule. I apologise if I am not familiar with Korean culture, but isn’t Yule like in his 20s or something? I mean he’s not underaged, so how could he be involuntary committed to a mental hospital if Geon was not like his guardian or something?

    Ohh, I read the summary Mizu provided about Dong-Hyuk’s ending and now yours, thank you for that. I will just wait until that chapter is posted to see the images. I read that he uhh... sorryness to be blunt, “cummed” when he imagined he was having sex with Yule...I am confused. Guess I have to wait until the chapter’s release.

    Sigh, I do not think Yule’s ending will be a happy one. The genuine love Kyungsoo had for Yule is gone. Yule is just clinging onto Kyungsoo; as to whether for control/possessing him or actually falling in love/developing feelings for him...up to the author to let us know. But you are right, the open ending showed a shift in the relationship dynamics between Yule and Kyungsoo.

    I just pray Yule’s ending will not turn out to be something like Unfather’s ending. Scary and fucked up.

    Curious, what do you think should be the ending for Kyungsoo? (=・ω・=)

    wintry day July 21, 2018 6:47 pm
    Nope, I was wrong about what characters are in the twitter pic. In the foreground it is from the scene where Dong-hyuk raped Kyun-soo. http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/hogu_hagyeongsu/mf/iur_chapter-63/pg-1/ N... clouds

    Yeah, it is definitely Dong-Hyuk, chapter 63, pgs. 26-27. *Shudders*...what Dong-Hyuk said while raping him...Ughness. Maybe the background image is from Yule’s ending...What if Yule died while being hospitalised? (⊙…⊙ )

    ThatBitch July 22, 2018 5:04 am
    Sorryness, I just thought it would be interesting to discuss. (︶︿︶) I am mildly conflicted about Yule’s actions in that chapter where he stabbed himself. He said that “if he dies...I’ll never be abl... wintry day

    I wish I could accept the number 1 theory. But yule actually said few times that he loves kyungsoo and somewhere in my heart I still believe that. I just don't know why i believe him even after all he has done but I just do. It's my burden. T_T

    wintry day July 22, 2018 5:17 am

    Yeah, Yule said that he loved Kyungsoo a few times throughout the story and even mentioned, “I’m in love with you.” But like you said earlier, after everything that has happened, it is SO hard to trust Yule anymore and his words. I am waiting on Yule’s ending in which I hope the author ties up all loose ends.

    ThatBitch July 22, 2018 5:25 am
    Yeah, Yule said that he loved Kyungsoo a few times throughout the story and even mentioned, “I’m in love with you.” But like you said earlier, after everything that has happened, it is SO hard to trust Yu... wintry day

    IKR. I just need a little bit of closure so i can finally move on with my life. The open ended story bothers me so much. I wish the author would tie up the loose ends and give us a glimpse of the future maybe a extra where he shows what became of kyungsoo after maybe like 5 or 10 years. how is he, where is he. That will be a closure i can live with. :'(

    wintry day July 22, 2018 5:30 am

    Ditto~. If she is taking the time to draw out what if scenarios, that means she could give us closure to this story. Btw, did you see the image she posted? I wonder if it would make a good wallpaper, lolness.

    ThatBitch July 22, 2018 6:03 am
    Ditto~. If she is taking the time to draw out what if scenarios, that means she could give us closure to this story. Btw, did you see the image she posted? I wonder if it would make a good wallpaper, lolness. wintry day

    Yes i saw that. It'd definitely make a good wallpaper. XD