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Why do people take yaoi so seriously? I feel like if someone watches hetero smut they just...

SunxMoon August 25, 2018 9:14 pm

Why do people take yaoi so seriously? I feel like if someone watches hetero smut they just do their stuff and that's it buuut when it comes to yaoi people forget that it's basically porn with a plot and start analyzing and criticizing everything like it's some literature masterpiece. I'm pretty sure that I didn't express myself well but I want to see if someone else observed this.

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    so smooth August 25, 2018 9:43 pm

    maybe cause they didn't experience the idea of enjoying yaoi some ppl naturally dislike it so they keep saying thing to express there hate or feelings toward it cause at the very end we cant force ppl to like thing, even if the yaoi is the same as hetero smut but a little bit different they will see that as a huge gap cause that's the way they think ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

    awwi August 25, 2018 10:28 pm

    Agree. It can be slightly annoying when people treat smut with a little bit of plot like it has to be masterpiece to be good. And I will also never understand why so many people complain about yaoi having unrealistic sex scenes, unrealistic stories and characters etc. I mean they're talking about manga, of course the sex scenes and the stories are often unrealistic. That's not a yaoi problem, that's how most of the porn in manga is.
    The sex scenes and the female characters in pron made for straight men aren't very realistic either, there are a lot of rapey bara manga out there and yuri manga are mainly written for straight women and men. Nobody really complains about that but for some reason when it comes to yaoi it's suddenly a big problem.

    That being said, we should also keep in mind that every story that focuses on two male characters who are sexually or romantically interested in each other (or the story is about one male character being attracted to another male character), doesn't matter what kind of story it is, gets labeled "BL". Fans in the west usually distinguish between "Yaoi" and "Shounen Ai" but that doesn't say a lot about the actual story either.
    "Feeding Lamb", "My Darling Kitten Hair" and "Following Namsoo to the Bathhouse" wouldn't be labeled as the same genre if they weren't about two men. But because they are, all of them are yaoi/BL.
    Yaoi isn't necessarily porn with plot. And I guess that's the problem. A yaoi tag doesn't tell you if a manga/comic is "porn with plot" or "a good story with sex scenes between two men". So I get why some fans expect way too much from every yaoi they read.

    Misaki U August 25, 2018 10:34 pm

    Not all yaoi are like porn some have no sex at all but just kissing and hugging scenes and the plot of some of them are still good however that is my opinion. I basically love yaoi for it is like forbidden love and also it stated by an accident and because there was nothing else to read. Right now I have nothing and reading of the post. I normally read what ever but yuri (for I'm a girl)as long it is good!(๑•ㅂ•)و✧

    SunxMoon August 26, 2018 5:10 am
    Not all yaoi are like porn some have no sex at all but just kissing and hugging scenes and the plot of some of them are still good however that is my opinion. I basically love yaoi for it is like forbidden love... Misaki U

    Well yeah it's called shonen-ai and you're right they're usually better mainly because they're focusing on relationshionships and development rather than sex. Anyway I was talking about yaoi ( the smutty ones)

    SunxMoon August 26, 2018 5:13 am
    maybe cause they didn't experience the idea of enjoying yaoi some ppl naturally dislike it so they keep saying thing to express there hate or feelings toward it cause at the very end we cant force ppl to like t... so smooth

    I was reffering at the ones that like yaoi. I wonder why it's such a diffrence between the reactions at hetero porn and yaoi. I feel that people expect too much from yaoi when in fact it's still porn

    SunxMoon August 26, 2018 5:33 am
    Agree. It can be slightly annoying when people treat smut with a little bit of plot like it has to be masterpiece to be good. And I will also never understand why so many people complain about yaoi having unrea... awwi

    Damn that's some response you've got there. That's what I wanted to hear, why people treat yaoi like it has to be a masterpies. Yeah not all yaoi is porn (shonen-ai, because for example on sites like this they are differenciated) but I said that so I could make clear that I'm refering to really smutty ones. When there is some really graphic yaoi and the characters cheat, are 'too slutty' or sleep with old men and who knows what else people start judging everyting like you know... it isn't intended for people kinks and hornyness. When it comes to characters relashionships too. These dudes meet like 2 days ago, had sex and if one of them does something that in.a normal ( normal like irl) relashionship would be considered bad and they fight, people lose their mind , when in fact it's some excuse for a scene with violent, sadistic or make-up sex

    SunxMoon August 26, 2018 5:45 am
    Agree. It can be slightly annoying when people treat smut with a little bit of plot like it has to be masterpiece to be good. And I will also never understand why so many people complain about yaoi having unrea... awwi

    That's what I wanted to hear. Why people have such big expectation from yaoi. Yeah not all yaoi is porn ( shonen-ai, and on sites like this they are differenciated) but I said so because I was reffering at really smutty ones. When there's some graphic yaoi where dunno somebody cheats, it's 'too slutty' or sleeps around or with old men or who knows what else, people start judging like it wasn't in the first place intended to be for people's kinks and hornyness. When it comes to characters too. These dudes know each other for two days. They have sex and when something happens, one of them does something bad and they fight people lose their mind when in fact it's just an excuse for a scene with either violent, sadistic or makeup sex. Dunno about them but when I read yaoi I don't expect a pure-hearted perfect relashionship

    SunxMoon August 26, 2018 5:51 am
    Agree. It can be slightly annoying when people treat smut with a little bit of plot like it has to be masterpiece to be good. And I will also never understand why so many people complain about yaoi having unrea... awwi

    Like, why when it comes to hetero things people differenciate between what's intend to be porn and what romance but when it comes to yaoi both of them are expected to come toghether

    Misaki U August 26, 2018 8:29 pm

    I think they expect to much from yoai for it is something you don't normally see in real life. I have had a few gay friends but they had disappointed me in how the they are not how I expect them thy o act. However, I like the part that in my school there is no bullies of any kind. ┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍

    awwi August 27, 2018 8:48 am
    That's what I wanted to hear. Why people have such big expectation from yaoi. Yeah not all yaoi is porn ( shonen-ai, and on sites like this they are differenciated) but I said so because I was reffering at real... SunxMoon

    To me this is just another case of mainstream arrogance. Most popular yaoi are pretty much the same. Girly (or smaller), innocent uke x manly (or taller) seme, at least the uke is still a virgin, at least one of them is actually not gay, the love of his life just happens to be a man etc. (you know what I'm talking about ;) ). To people who like this kind of plot and don't really read anything else (it's not like they have to since there are so many manga with a plot like this) this is what yaoi is, a story about pure, forbidden love between two men with a few sex scenes in it. So whenever they pick up a manga or comic that is popular but it's just smut or has a darker plot or is simply more realistic than what they usually read they don't like it and feel the need to let the whole world know. Because they're not used to reading something that is popular but not to their liking.
    They're so used to getting exactly what they want and the manga they like being popular that they become arrogant enough to believe that every story has to be the way they want it to be. Nothing they don't like can be good and they will tell you exactly why it's shit (although the reasoning behind it is often ridiculous).

    SunxMoon August 28, 2018 6:11 pm
    To me this is just another case of mainstream arrogance. Most popular yaoi are pretty much the same. Girly (or smaller), innocent uke x manly (or taller) seme, at least the uke is still a virgin, at least one o... awwi

    Ah... If we could give like to responses too