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I was expecting

Mameiha September 2, 2018 7:00 am

Something far more heartbreaking. So, I was pleased with the direction this manga took. However, the story got me to thinking about something that made me kinda sad. The only difference between the Japan of now and the Japan portrayed in this manga is that women can vote. In over 100 years, homosexuals are still seen in the same dim and narrow light. It is disheartening that an economic and social superpower like Japan is still so startlingly far behind the rest of the liberal world in terms of LGBT rights, education, understanding and acceptance. Then again, Japan has always been more conservative than liberal.

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    LallaLa November 14, 2018 11:13 am

    I live in Japan. When I got here, people thought I was gay. Even though I am a really feminine girl, but they thought I was lesbian due to the fact that I do not mind perverted jokes and I do act like a ''guy'' every now and then. For, since I have lived alone for the past few years, I have learnt to do the work that usually the other gender do.
    I only realized they thought I was gay when they asked me about my girlfriend, that was when the misunderstanding was cleared..and the treatment didn't change. Nothing changed. A coworker's daughter is gay. They get along.
    There are trans in Tokyo.
    Now, what causes prejudice here is when a feminist who comes saying that ''Gay and women needs more rights!''.Women here do not fight for such rights because they are happy the way it is, they don't see the need to disturb the peace. They might move if they are bothered, but when they are bothered. Homosexuals are just a fellow human being, so what right are you talking about? Should it be like Brazil, where I was criticized and publicly humiliated because I didn't want to sleep with a woman, so her friends started to try to beat me up? When a guy protected me, they started to insult me. They said it is their right. Is that the right you are talking about? To have the right to humiliate and beat someone because one is straight, and the other is gay? Or are you saying japanese should now have specific pronouns for trans people? If you changed your gender, then just use the pronoun for your new gender.
    Education? Whatever gender you are, whatever preferences you have..as long as you live here, you do have the right for basic education. College already depends on your parents, since it costs money. Or should there be a ''gay kit'' just like in Brazil, where a book was delivered to public schools and taught kids aged
    6 to 8 on how to have homosexual sex..and hetero sex? It even had a hole on the place where the guy's genital should be, so that you could put your finger in and then put it inside the women's vagina. I have seen that book, and, honestly..I can't fathom that someone came up with that. It smells like pedophilia.
    Understanding? Sure, there is prejudice, like there is everywhere. As long as humans exists, there will be prejudice. I suffered prejudice myself in Brazil for being a straight, asian descendant. But who needs understandings here the most are men, not women. Thousands of men committed suicide or died due to overwork. They put pressure on what a men should be and should do. They need understanding. For so much pressure that it is put on them, it doesn't surprise me one bit when you read an article about a japanese guy who married an anime idol or something. It is just their way of letting everything out, without hurting anyone..when no one could help them. Women here can be whoever and whatever they want. They do whatever they want. I have seen many, but many lesbians japanese girls when I go on small trips. If they walk around like that, not scared in the least, what does it say to you?
    My point is, please don't judge a country without ever actually living there, working there. I am honestly tired of so many people judging Japan by what they read online, or because of manga(Not saying you did). Yes, some people do study about it or live in a certain country for six months or so. Once I have read a french men's point of view of brazil after living in Rio de Janeiro for 5 months. He said that Brazil isn't so dangerous as they make it look like. Dear, he obviously lived in a good neighborhood and went to good restaurants from his review, so obviously it was ''quite'' safe. I have a friend whose neighbour's daughter was violently and repeated raped because..her mother didn't pay the monthly fee to them. They were never arrested because the mother was too scared of calling on the police..because even if they were arrested (pretty much doubt so) they would be released in no time. And the revenge game would be worse.
    I once studied in Norway, and I have met many,many good people. Some of them studying about other countries as well. Politics and such. I can't say how wrong they were. I am not calling them idiots, but when you don't speak the native language, there is no way for you to have an actually accurate point of view of said country. No matter how much you study about Brazil, the source of information that you can find in English are mostly just translated out of big news websites. And they report lies. Now, I did meet one man who had an actually accurate point of view of Brazil. He did his reading and judged it based on Brazilian's corruption and not based on his own government. When we talked about gays, he just said ''Not my business'. And indeed, not his business.
    Most people who are against gays that I have met so far were very few in numbers, and they were all over 70. You can't possibly ask a 70 year old elderly to just change the way he had thought was right up to this day. If they are open to it, fine. If they are not, fine. But they won't harm others just because of their opinions, they will just keep it to themselves and be polite. Honestly, I believe some of them are just too tired to think about such matters, they just want to laze around, so let them.
    I am not saying you are one of those people who just harm others while trying to protect your ideals, but to those who do: Let them be in peace. Youngsters I have met so far can't care less if you are gay or not. If you make yourself out to be a victim, then everybody will be a villain to you.

    Mameiha November 14, 2018 8:01 pm
    I live in Japan. When I got here, people thought I was gay. Even though I am a really feminine girl, but they thought I was lesbian due to the fact that I do not mind perverted jokes and I do act like a ''guy''... LallaLa

    First, allow me to thank you for sharing your personal experiences and your point of view with me. However, I must also clarify that I am the furthest thing from some feminazi who thinks that abusing the rights of others is a right they are personally entitled to. I am bi-sexual and have both friends and family who either live in Japan currently or were born and raised there but live here in the US now. My comment was not specific enough regarding the rights of which I speak and for that, I apologize. I will clarify that now. I'm not talking about the right to abuse others for using the wrong pronoun, mind you. I'm talking about basic anti-discrimination rights. To not have to fear losing your job, your home and your social status for being homosexual. That is really all I'm wishing for forJapan. You said you are hetero and female, correct? However, you were misjudged by others and thought to be lesbian. So, really, you've never had to live anywhere with the fear and concerns of a lesbian woman. That is not to say that the fears a hetero woman faces are any less severe or traumatizing, but they are different. More so if we are discussing the fear and concerns of a gay man versus those of a hetero woman in Japan. Men, in general, are expected to hold certain qualities and fulfill certain expectations in the eyes of society in all cultures, more so in traditional, conservative cultures. Women are also saddled with these societal expectations, but when women break them, it is seen as an act of modernity, empowerment or even bravery. For men, breaking these societal expectations is viewed with disdain and they are seen as useless or "not a man". So, a woman being lesbian is not viewed with the same severity as a man being gay. Though, admittedly, in cultures that are extremely severe in their conservativism, neither men nor women who are homosexual are treated well. They are hardly treated as human. Japan, obviously, is not one of those cultures. You met with acceptance in Japan and that is wonderful, but just like the French man you mentioned who felt Brazil was not as bad as people say, this was only your personal experience. One person's anecdotal evidence of their personal, positive experience is no more proof of Japan's goodwill toward homosexuality or Brazil's safe environment than another person's anecdotal evidence of their personal, negative experience. Therefore, I look at the laws and the legal rights and privileges or punishments for homosexual people in certain cultures. In Japan, homosexuality is not part of the sex education curriculum for students. Where it is mentioned, it is listed as a fetish at best and condemned as an abomination at worst. There is little education regarding homosexuality and what is disseminated is skewed propaganda. There are no anti-discrimination laws regarding homosexuality in Japan. A school, employer, landlord, etc can expell, fire or evict a homosexual simply on the grounds that they are homosexual. This one human right, the right to be treated as an equal to all other humans on the planet regardless of differences, is the most basic and fundamental right that all people must be afforded and it is not afforded to homosexual people in Japan. You mentioned that you encountered people who "like things the way they are" in Japan. Might I remind you that prior to 1965, there were a lot of people, both black and white, who wanted to maintain the status quo where African American people were discriminated against, segregated and not allowed to vote. Wanting to maintain the status quo doesn't mean the status quo is a good place to be. Humans naturally fear change. It is part of our survival instinct. However, without change, we cannot grow and adapt to new environments and living conditions. The idea that one's skin color or which sex they prefer to have sexual intercourse with makes them "less human" than another is abhorrent. Living in fear of being discovered to be different is no way to live. In Japan, and many other countries, this is how homosexuals live their lives. I am quite well aware that manga is fiction and purely fantasy driven by the writers imagination. That is why I research the facts and discuss them in comments. Japan is not the worst place on the planet for homosexuals to live, but they are about 30 years behind many of their first world brethren countries in regards to acceptance, education and understanding of the subject.

    LallaLa November 14, 2018 11:15 pm
    First, allow me to thank you for sharing your personal experiences and your point of view with me. However, I must also clarify that I am the furthest thing from some feminazi who thinks that abusing the rights... Mameiha

    Unlike that frenchmen, however, I had a terrible car accident and who took care of me was my..elderly boss who thought I was gay. I am not speaking just from my personal point of view. I am speaking by my and what I could gather from the people around me and from what I could hear and discuss with fellow gay people in japan
    And the point of being satisfied of being the way it is, I can't even begin to point it out where you did not understand what I have said. Women don't need to get any type of new rights here becausr they are happy. That's what I said they don't need to fight for. But many, many feminists come here saying they are oppressed by men, so they say that. What I said was, if women here were oppressed like that of not having freedom, they would fight for a change. But people who have not lived here, worked here, wouldn't know. And unlike that frenchmen, I am not here visiting and lazing around. I am here living, working, making friends, visiting the good and bad side. Literally.
    And by not wanting change, what is wrong for a 70+ year old person to just want to sit down and laze around? What is wrong with that? They fought hard their whole lives, so let them rest. Stop pushing gays rights down people throats when they barely know what gay is. Most of the japanese society are elderlies who worked hard their own life. As a caretaker, I can't accept it when feminists, mostly north americans, come here and try to shove that down their throats. Comparing it down to when blacks were a ''matter'' is down right stupid. The levels are completely different. If the problem went down to that, I am pretty sure the other countries wouldn't stay quiet.There are provinces here that allow adoption of your gay partner under your surname. Not marriage, but a step.
    If they want to fight, they will fight. But foreigners should learn to keep their mouths shut and stop trying to make a big mess out of something that is not so big. If there was a movement and they were trying to help, fine, but for you guys to start the movements yourselves in a country you don't live and work in, is downright selfish and egoistic. You still don't live here. I have never been to the U.S. But I do have friends there. If you ask about your country and it's people, I can only say that your president is Trump. Not because of I lack knowledge, but because I won't simply speculate and say it out loud what a shit hole I think the U.S (and brazil) are. Because I have never been to one of them.
    And again, people don't need special rights. Humans needs rights. No matter of your colour, gender or sexual preferences. No one needs special rights unless if they are mentally or physically disabled. We are all humans and should be treated as such. If what you want is acceptance, that is a matter of the people and not of the government.

    Yui October 6, 2019 2:16 pm

    I've been living in Japan for 14years now and I gotta say I also don't really notice the discrimination towards gay. I actually think they're more forgiving than other countries. At the very least, they don't have death penalty for being gay. And there are lots of ways to circumvent the lack of law like the mentioned adoption process. I haven't really thought about it but the comment above is very convincing to me. I don't think making special rules for gay community is being anti-discrimination. Making a law is in itself discriminating already (IMO) and it hasn't proved much effective for other countries too. And yes, It's about the people and not the goverment. there are bad seeds everywhere but Japanese are more understanding and forgiving IMO too. I think the government could be more forgiving too like allowing same sex marriage if they are not facing a real low birth rate crisis. But it is a real national crisis and despite the economic superpower image, the truth is that it is in danger of collapsing due to the low birth rate and high elderly rate. The productive age rate is barely if not at all keeping up with the tax needed to support the elderlies. Most of the new policies are focused on solving that because that is their biggest crisis that is happening right now. Not sexual preference freedom or anti-discrimination rights.

    nugget123 July 5, 2020 3:54 am
    Unlike that frenchmen, however, I had a terrible car accident and who took care of me was my..elderly boss who thought I was gay. I am not speaking just from my personal point of view. I am speaking by my and w... LallaLa

    This is just my two cents but basically what you're saying is that "don't project America's social problems and societal issues (and also ways of solving, countering and resistance) onto another country." I wholly agree.

    But sometimes Americans get overzealous, and they think they're on a mission to save the world. Don't define what's right for another country based on your country's standards. Societal issues are unique to each country, and your country's solution to certain problems might not work for other countries.

    Nate November 30, 2020 1:01 am
    I live in Japan. When I got here, people thought I was gay. Even though I am a really feminine girl, but they thought I was lesbian due to the fact that I do not mind perverted jokes and I do act like a ''guy''... LallaLa

    I just want to add a point, that no matter if you live in a country that is known for one thing or another. A different view of a place can also be accurate. If you live in a good part of a neighborhood/city, than you will most likely say your country is good or so on. That goes the same vice versa. Places, just like ppl tend to be defined by how an individual themselves perceive the other. More often than not when the majority has similar experiences of a place, that is how the place becomes defined. Not to say that is the whole truth. So it doesn't matter how long someone has lived or studied somewhere. And you are coming on a little strong about no understanding without knowing the native language. That's pretty biased especially when knowing, and overlooking that people come to understand things pretty well with minimal language interpretation through common sense, an open mind and understanding of actions, concept, behaviors/gestures and gaining a grasp of the culture in which ever city they are learning about. Even reading fact news allows one to grasp the culture of said place. In America alone right now is a perfect example of such a thing.