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This is a bit off-topic but I just saw many comments criticizing this author (and probably...

Chihiro May 17, 2019 9:17 am

This is a bit off-topic but I just saw many comments criticizing this author (and probably many others)'s intention of normalizing rape, which I agree is actually a crime and could adversely affect reader's perception. However, it also strikes me that we are, in a sense, doing the very same thing of normalizing other crimes like brutal killing (in many horror stories) and kidnapping, torturing (in Killing Stalking), yet people call them "masterpieces", "a great reflection of life" and stuff. So is something similar to the so-called "double standards" going on in this world of manga and should we forbid the dissimilation of all these obscene types of stories? Just wanna discuss a bit...
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    Anonymous May 17, 2019 11:21 am

    I completely agree with you.
    I think we tend to be more sensitive when it's rape because it happens more frenquentely.
    There are more risks to be sexually assaulted/raped than to be kidnapped/killed/ tortured.
    Many of us know people who have been assaulted/raped, but very few of us know people who have been kidnapped/killed/tortured. It makes rape more "real" than the other crimes, so it's easier to distance ourselves from them than from rape. (not sure if I'm clear, lol).

    Aoixneko May 17, 2019 3:26 pm

    Looool for me I just love her writing she done so great I think the story was so deep and a lot of unexpected event and twisted ... The characters really was unique ones I think I really did love her work and hope she continue make another great piece like this and better one I don't like unhappy end or blood so love this with all twisted event and a happy ending its my type and BTW fiction stay fiction nothing more I don't take anime/manga as reality.

    meh May 17, 2019 3:34 pm

    I would argue to say that murder is typically treated the way it should be within a story though. If someone is brutally killed, it's treated the same as it would in real life and it's driven by a plot with characters that make us feel conflicted. I never finished reading Killing Stalking, but it was an incredibly psychological story that got the praise it did because it was entertaining.

    The problem with stories like these is that when rape occurs, it gets brushed off like it didn't happen or it doesn't get acknowledged for what it is. Maybe the one who was raped will be upset but typically it all leads up to the same ending. I dont know many people who end up with their rapists so just some food for thought.

    And I agree with the comment above. Rape is just more common lbr, it can be a sore spot for many of us or for people we know. I get it, some people have their kinks and I won't judge them, but personally I feel like if a manga is going to aim for a plot, rape should be dealt with more care.

    Aoixneko May 17, 2019 3:47 pm

    Loool that some logic for killing is OK and for rape is no BTW I didn't read killing stalk and will never killing is sore spot for me and I hate it ... Though rape still is not OK but ur logic is so twisted as this story. And finally plz get fiction can't be real.

    meh May 17, 2019 4:51 pm

    Who said killing was ok lol. It was a discussion based around the double standards of people being okay with murder in a story vs. rape. I merely brought up how typically someone being a murderer in a story will be treated as such. When I tried to read Killing Stalking I wanted nothing more than the one dude to get caught so the MC could escape. Don't twist someone's words dude, read the stories you like but don't get upset when someone criticizes an aspect they don't like about it. We all have our preferences in the type of fiction we want to read after all.

    Yaoi4life May 17, 2019 8:01 pm

    I had to google some of the words you said here lol.
    And no! Fucking Hell no killing stalking was definitely not ok. It’s just some people, idk just bias about their favorite authors and shit.

    Aoixneko May 17, 2019 8:11 pm
    Who said killing was ok lol. It was a discussion based around the double standards of people being okay with murder in a story vs. rape. I merely brought up how typically someone being a murderer in a story wil... meh

    Yeh I'm with u in that so I love these stories and also u have the right to read what u like no argument here ... but I see a lot of offensive comment an no thanks to translator so it really get to me sometimes . So killing is no go and rape is no go but all OK in fiction becouse its not reality

    Sept_san002 May 18, 2019 2:04 am

    I understand what you're trying to say but the people who are the murders in the stories for example as you mentioned in Killing Stalking Sanwoo's actions are depicted as heinous it's not a normal thing to be a murderer I don't understand why so many BL writers include rape as the basis of their relationship

    Aoixneko May 18, 2019 3:19 am

    heinous mc so is the same as heinous rape they is still the same there is nor right nor wrong... but still that killing is good and that rape is bad (what ppl think)... And I can understand what u want to say!! but as long as I enjoy reading it and most be cute cruel less for me I'm OK with it ... I just want to discuss what I liked .. But everytime there is rape in manga comment section will get on my nerve and feel like don't want read comments ever again ... Like " Dakaretai Otoko Ichii Ni Odosarete Imasu" it was good manga and everyone like and it also have rape but no one say anything and everyone read... view finder another great one also have rape (BTW I hated these two at first but like it as long read) ... I just wish ppl if they don't like this kind of manga just dont read don't comment so we who liked can do discuss in pace I don't read killing stalking because its cruel and even If i do I'll respect the one how like it and the group how made the translation.
    And for rape it author choice at the end she/he who write the plot ... For me what I like I'll read it and what i don't like just leave it ... It will be cool if there is non in manga (violent rape killing ...) but we can't get we want !! But every time the "oh cruel" and what so but for other manga as long as they like the plot cruel or not its OK that just twisted.

    meh May 18, 2019 5:44 am
    heinous mc so is the same as heinous rape they is still the same there is nor right nor wrong... but still that killing is good and that rape is bad (what ppl think)... And I can understand what u want to say!... Aoixneko

    I'm starting to see why you're commenting on this topic, and I'm sorry that people are dissing on the stories you like, but a comment section is a place for us to discuss what happened in a story freely. Idk how many times I felt the need to word vomit all the thoughts that came to mind while I was reading. You have a nice attitude towards respecting the interests of others though, but please don't take to heart when others criticize what you like. It's not an attack on your nor the translation group. Rape and murder aren't the kinds of things that should be supported in any sense, so there will always be questions about moral ambiguity and disagreements on their use in a story.

    Enjoy what you enjoy though. If you can gain something that I can't from reading a story like this, then good on you. Bottom line, I can't personally justify supporting rape as the push for two people to fall in love and I'll stand by that.

    Aoixneko May 18, 2019 6:18 pm

    First thank you for your understanding and yeh I'm with you in all of your points ... And you are right discussion section is to discuss about story as all ... But every time there is rape in story and I said in some mangas not all like some famous one its ok that have rape or killing or whatever as they like the manga it will be OK to them and there so many manga like that ... Example (harada) manga they will love it and say its so good ..but small manga like this infamous one they will mentione just the rape part and leave the whole story alone and this is really what get to me!!

    For me the only thing that make me leave or stope reading the manga (bloody stuff, hurting others characters and unhappy ending tragedies for MC's ) ..this is sore points for me and I know some ppl like that and its OK with me and I'll say nothing to thier preference because I know its just story not really a reality.

    meh May 19, 2019 2:24 am

    This story is just confusing for many of us, so the bad points are sticking out a lot more unfortunately.

    Chihiro May 19, 2019 6:45 am

    Woah did not expect so many people to be interested in this discussion. I personally find that many people still don't really trully grasp the bad influence these kinds of stories can pose on a number of readers simply because they don't find it specifically "practical"? Like I may read this but it doesn't mean I'll ever find raping a romantic theme, nor would I try it irl just to make my unrequited love come true, etc. But I guess to some certain people with distorted minds, it could happen. So forbidding them for the sake of these people is necessary, I guess?. But again, we also don't really know for real if these "distorted-minded people" truly exist or whether they ARE ACTUALLY DRIVEN BY THESE STORIES to commit their crimes, so is forbidding the stories at the expense of their entertainment value really necessary?