none of them are in the wrong and I'm sick of seeing people taking sides. You're seriously...

I think people are upset because it's not like they were still friends. Han cut Saegye out of his life until this moment. Interfering here and there but they weren't true friends, not anymore.

He is like an ex crawling back into someone's life because he needs help. Which yeah, I get it, for a loved one we would do anything but he never thought of how the world would react to Dares existing coming out or even why people don't know about them like the govt getting rid of all evidence... So instead of just his brother being in trouble not only Saegye but also everyone who knows about him including himself could disappear.

i 100% ship this !

But who said Han cut Saegye out of his life? It’s never said clearly which way it went. Han continues to look out for him, doesn’t he? If he cut him out of his life, why bother? In fact, he continues to keep Saegye’s secret about being a dare. it’s more likely that Saegye distanced himself, so we shouldn’t villianise Han just because of our assumptions.

I think it’s unfair to blame Han for not exactly being considerate. He never threatened Saegye. All he asked was for Saegye to reconsider, but people act as if he guilt tripped Saegye and caused all of Saegye’s current guilt and emotional turmoil. No, Saegye feels guilty because he’s a decent human being who knows he didn’t do wrong, but feels bad that the situation is like this.

Let’s say your mother is sent to prison for a crime she didn’t do. You know how prisons are like. R*pe, fights, bullying, etc. You know she’ll suffer not just in jail but when she comes out. The real criminal is a powerful person. There is only one person witnessed the crime.

Would you not beg the person to help you? Or would you be a saint and think, “ah, I might emotionally trouble this person. I shan’t try to save my mother”? If you choose the latter, I have nothing to say because you’re consistent in how you judge others and yourself. Otherwise, it’s just hypocrisy. : People are faulting Han so much for normal human reactions when he’s already being pretty considerate by not begging again and again.

Oh crap I’m writing so much. I hope it doesn’t seem like I’m arrowing you. I don’t know what your views are, you just explained why people might be angry, so the reply was directed towards those people and not you (unless you do also share the same view as them).

My view was Han being like an ex and coming back asking for help desperately, which is normal and reasonable, but doesn't realize he is putting them all in danger by trying to have Saegye out himself.

Han is still naive to think there will be no repercussions for telling the truth about Dates and that could get them all killed. So I blame him for that.

But how do you know he doesn’t know about the repercussions? Clearly, he knows. Thing is, it’s his brother that’s at stake. It’s not an easy black and white situation where you can choose who is at fault and who is to blame. He knows, which is why he backed off eventually, but he can’t help wanting to save his brother.

Again, I’ll pose you the same question about your mother being framed for a crime and being sent to jail. There’s only one witness and the criminal is a powerful person who could ruin the witness and his whole family’s lives. Are you blameworthy for asking him to help save your mother? Would you think you were wrong for trying to ask for help?

If you can honestly say that you won’t try to help your mother, even though you know the potential consequences, then you have all right to find Han blameworthy. Otherwise, that’s just hypocrisy.

You are arguing apples and oranges.

It's not just my mom going to prison and being in danger. It is that plus knowing that the information you have can free her is a situation of national security so dangerous that the govt (or the powerful family of the Dare) will either disappear (put them in prison) everyone else who knows about this information or straight up murder everyone involved.

So it is 1 person suffering vs 3 or 4 people's lives.

And what would my mom want? Yes, she wants freedom but at the cost of all those other lives?

Not to mention since my mom was framed she might actually get favored treatment by the govt to keep silent about the truth. Or the family might offer her money to keep her mouth shut.

And no Han did not realize the magnitude of him asking Saegye to come talk to the cops.

If he sat down and thought about why Dates are still considered myths...he would have realized that it's not just the rich and famous who have the power to cover this up but the govt is actively doing it too.

It was not until Saegye spoke to him of his concerns he realized how dangerous things were but even still he was hoping Saegye would do it anyway. There is no way to out the secret of Dates without destroying the world as people know it.

It's like saying aliens exist and are among us and can kill without consequences, how could our world survive that?

Nope, you’re trying hard to add extra conditions because it’s not an easy question to answer without you feeling morally burdened. That’s exactly what I mean. The fact that you haven’t given a clear answer shows that you didn’t give much thought when deciding Han was blameworthy. I’ve already told you to consider the hypothetical situation with that the witness and his entire family will be dangerous, so I’m not sure why you insist that the situations are different because Saegye will affect others but for the witness in my hypothetical situation, it’s only one person.

And that philosophy is dangerous, no? 1 person suffering versus 3-4 people suffering. Have you heard of the trolley dilemma? You’re implying that you would kill one person if it means sparing the other 5. But what has that one person done for you to decide that his suffering is worth less than the other 5? Would it be right then, if I chose to torture you instead of 5 other people?

There’s another problem with your argument. You may say that the hypothetical situations are different because it affects the whole world, that the truth must be hidden at all costs because the world can’t “survive”. What you’re implying is that the average human needs to be coddled and protected from certain information, otherwise they can’t take it. So, should we hide what bad things that goes on so you can live in bliss? E.g. Sex trafficking, murders

You know who else likes to use this reasoning to justify terrible things? Governments. George Bush went into war in Iraq, claiming they had weapons of mass destruction to the public when they’ve repeatedly gotten evidence that there’s NONE. Why do you think he did that? Because the silly public won’t understand why the US govt needs to go to war, so we’ll just hide the truth from the dumb public and make up some excuse of there being nuclear weapons in Iraq.

I think it’d be good if you sit down and think through this as a discussion, not an attack on you. It’s not about “apples and oranges”, as I’ve shown you clearly. And if it’s hard for you to answer what I’ve brought up, then that shows that your initial opinion of Han is hypocritical.

Ffs, I never said it was right to hide it but the truth is if Dares are revealed then there will be chaos and the govts are going to do everything they can to shut that down, so will the rich and powerful Dares and those who are using Dates to their advantage.

The powers that be will bribe, disappear, or murder anyone and everyone that endangers their power.

Han doesn't realize that nor that his pursuit to save his brother endangers them all.

I agree with you. I don’t think anyone in their right mind, after witnessing their family getting accused of a crime they didn’t commit to not ask for help from the one person they trust or think could help. It’s not hard trying to imagine yourself in Han’s shoes. Han also only asked for a reconsideration and was never outright pushy or threatening with it. I just ended up feeling sorry for his situation, and for similar cases of unfairness we can see in our world, although we don’t suffer from the division of “truth” and “dares.”