different cultures?

In ch 34 or 35, Doyun has a blissed out face when he came from Taehan being deep inside him.

Prior to this, Doyun is moaning in pleasure. We just don’t translate the sfx bc we assume everyone knows the sfx are sex moans and groans.

What makes Doyun unique is that he literally says he feels good SO MANY times. Maybe not in Ch 36, but in almost all his sex scenes with Taehan, he says it feels good at least once. I think you’re too focused on Taehan biting Doyun that you forgot previous chapters.

hes mentioned many times throughout the story that he enjoys the sex. why would he obsessively pursue him from the beginning?

WHat! There's sfx? lol I'm sorry to sound critical, and I meant what I said in general, not just you.
The important chapters for me to know he's feeling good are 35,36. To me, looking blissed-out looks like pain, too - I can't distinguish between those facial expressions, and if he never tells me he's feeling good, I can't know.
In these chapters, there's a lot of evidence of suffering without confirmation of ecstacy.
He says, "will it ever end?" discomfort. "Stop biting me." pain. "I'll not never take rut seriously again." "I'm tired." "My bottom hurts." He makes SO many statements of discomfort that, for me, they all run together into a bad experience.
I fought everyone when they insisted he felt good. Then I had to take all that back when he finally said the sex was good way way after the fact.
If it's just me, okay, but there are plenty of other people who are not good at reading facial expressions. Without the uke telling me, I'm going to be waiting to know if the sex is good, and the longer I wait, the more impatient and frustrated I get.
There's another way to tell, but I better make a new topic, and it's go nothing to do with you and dresm's good work.

pursuing and indicating during sex that you're enjoying it are two different things.

Being ready and willing to have sex and indicating during sex that you're enjoying it, are two different things.

I don’t think Love Shuttle falls into this category, since Doyun consistently says he enjoys sex, and says he feels good during the act, but there’s a really good article on why in media, women always have to put up resistant or say no during sex - not just for manga/manhwa/manhwa but all forms of media. Basically it’s sexism. If women didn’t put up resistant or indicated they enjoy sex, it would paint them in a promiscuous light. They were considered immoral for enjoying sex. Something along those lines. And since ukes are often stand ins for women (or portrayed with very feminine traits), they also somehow adopted the traits found in women roles. If you read hentai, you’ll see a lot of very similar “ah no! Please don’t! It hurts!” Lines you see in yaoi.

In chapter 34, even after Taehan bites him, Doyun comes and there’s a panel where he goes, “I’m satisfied”. So Doyun was enjoying it. The knotting exhausted Doyun, but he wasn’t against anything that happened.

What are you even talking about? Thru

Edit: They both wanted it and enjoyed it every single time. They both chose to help each other with their heats. This is not the story to discuss rape m

I never said jack shit about rape, man.

Really? Because I checked up to ch 29 and Doyun never says he's liking the sex until after the fact. When he's in heat doesn't count, of course

saying he's satisfied is great, but I'm saying that during sex, it would be nice if he said something like "I'm enjoying it, loving it, feels good," etc.

it never even occurred to me to think you or dream were to blame for it this. I've always thought it was the difference in subtlety of the different cultures.

absolutely. In fact, being a little older - not all that much, dammit! LOL but the older you are, the more that kind of sexism pervades your consciousness. You can't help it. You can try very hard all your life to be more enlightened, but it's still there.
For me, it doesn't transfer into a male uke seeming like a whore - or not that much anyway, but I see your point on that, and I can see how it would transfer for others.
What I do see in ukes is the woman as victim of sex rather than the perpetrator - figuratively speaking, submissive rather than asserive, and I do like the uke as an echo of the damsel in distress.
I'm affected by a lot of things that put me squarely under the influence of sexism, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and every other form of despicable human weakness.

You're so right. Of course the woman has to say no, stop, etc. That's my whole point of why the verbal consent fanaticism is so toxic. A woman might want to have sex very badly, but if you force her to give verbal consent, she will have no choice but to say no, every time. There are others who also suffer this: devoutly religious, people who are disabled, intersexed, aged,, there's many people who will not be able to give verbal consent, and forcing it out of them will corner them into saying no. It's too hard for some people to admit they want sex, but they do, and will go with it if they're not pressured.

Okay, that was a bit of a tangent. The thing is, yes, I agree, you're so right about women, not just asian women, but women everywhere. They say no so they won't be seen as promiscuous. sexism. so true.
I don't think it really applies to Doyun, but that wasn't your point, either, I don't think.

Yes, Doyun does say he enjoys it, but I sifted through their sex scenes up through ch 29, and he never says it during the sex. He does give some visual indications, but not a lot. Most of his expressions can be interpreted as pain or plaeasure. Unfortunately, his legs aren't in the right position to be convincing of incredibly hot sex. Someone please tell our womderful, talented yaoi artists to please make the legs part of the sex act. I'm begging here. Inarya Fusanosuke does it right if I remembr correctly, and ayano yamano.

Jeez, the uke has to have his legs on the outside in the missionary position. The same goes for when he's on his hands and knees. seems obvious to me.

wow, people will argue about the silliest things. lol im just shaking my head.

If you're talking about Taehan's rut sex, then ch 34 is the indication where Doyun says he likes it. If you're talking about overall, soooo many chapters. Here are some panels from ch 29, 21, 12, and 7. I only did some of them. There are a lot more. For example ch 21 and 7 had a couple of scenes where Doyun says he feels good, but I only took one panel from each chapter. Ch 29, 21, and 7 were all chapters where Doyun is sane and during the act. Not after the fact.

https://silverblossombells.dreamwidth.org/5480.html#cutid1

Waitwaitwait! So u mean this torture will continue for atleast three more chapters!!? Σ(っ°Д °;)っ Man i think ill go crazy even before those where uploaded

thank you for the screen shots.
I wasn't considering while he's in heat to be part of it. Yeah, that was great. Don't need a lot of verbal. I know he's enjoying it because he's half out of his mind with pleasure, right? I appreciated seeing those panel again, though. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

This is among the sexiest stories I've read. I'm not saying the sex was bad. It was mostly good, and I'll concede that he absolutely indicates how much he enjoys it all through ch3.. where he starts out dreaming... at Tae's apartment. very hot chapter.

In ch 21 "that was amazing" this is one of the frustrating ones for me cuz he doesn't tell me he enjoyed it until after the sex is over.

he does say it's good kissing, and a shame I didn't see what he looks like during sex before.
He also says some spectacularly frustrating things in CH 21:
"I don't even know anymore" wtf?
"is this what he means by in my right mind cuz I can't handle it" WTF?
He doesn't answer when tae asks if it's good. (I could've kicked his ass)
He says, "am I going to change into that thing I'm not?" Jesus, Doyun! You're supposed to be enjoying sex, not thinking about shit like that!

In the morning as he leaves he gives a little smile, nice pleasure thing, but it's not during sex.
The ses first night at apt. - okay, no verbal but any fool can see they're enjoying each other.
I'll also concede that when I commented originally, it was over the bite-boy chapters where again he tells me way later that it was good sex. that whole scene - would it have killed aju to give me just one tiny hint that it was in some way good for him?

Off the subject, why did you choose Nike as your member name?

sorry to say this on your dime, fudyo, but someone addressed me then changed things so response could not happen. Nike, Fudyo (saltiness notwithstanding), and I are not in conflict, stupid.

this made me laugh. LOL ty XO