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He's the same prince don't kid yourselves!!

Saya January 8, 2020 9:31 pm

I know everyone keeps saying that it was the past prince that hurt her not the current, but after reading further and finding out the history between him and her mother what he did to her in the other life is so much worse. Her mother and her were the only ones who loved him, her mother asked him on her deathbed to take care of her only daughter and he did that to her? I mean if they live their live by oracle there is nothing to say about him marrying the other girl, but he treated Tia with such contempt! All he can think about is how much better at stuff people perceive her to be, even though all that she did was for him. He forgot how she loved and accepted him from she was a little girl and to let's outline it here
1. Rape her for over a year
2. Push her and cause her miscarriage
3. Have her give up her pride and lick his boots in futility
4.kill her ever loyal to the crown father
5. Kill her unjustly
Make no mistake this people stop saying it was not the current prince because it is him! If she had continental loving him he would have done the same. THE ONLY REASON HE GIVES A SHIT NOW IS BECAUSE SHE IGNORED HIM AND HIS HUNTING INSTINCTS WERE AROUSED AND HE LOOKED OUTSIDE OF HIS SELF PITYING AND NARCISSISTIC HOLE, THAT HE IS "MAKING A CHANGE"!

Responses
    bibachoro-ok January 8, 2020 10:28 pm

    That's a theory alright, but Aristia herself states how people affect each other's changes, which is clearly meant to be the author's intended point here, even if you disagree with the execution.

    There's also many years still left to go between the prince now and the prince of the future, and taking away the development the prince has already had since Aristia timetraveled, it's very likely that the years between were vastly different, creating a much more terrible person by the end. Personally I think it's clear that her increased self-respect, agency, and sincerity is what's causing the world around her to change.

    Aristia has changed so much from who she used to be, and changed the world so much, and you think the prince is somehow the same? Even with how unlike his original self he's acting?

    It's perfectly fine to dislike the reason he started changing, but unless you think people's character is determined at birth, and not by the circumstances of their growth, then the person kidding themselves is not the readers who admit that someone shouldn't be held accountable for actions they haven't taken and, for all we know, wouldn't take in the future.

    Saya January 8, 2020 11:21 pm
    That's a theory alright, but Aristia herself states how people affect each other's changes, which is clearly meant to be the author's intended point here, even if you disagree with the execution.There's also ma... bibachoro-ok

    Oh I'm not taking away his development I can clearly see that he is on a new road and that is commendable and I can see what the author is trying to say about if we change ourselves we affect change in those around us. All that is correct but only up to a certain point. In saying that her self confidence and growth may change her fate with him is basically saying she caused all of what happened to her in the past. That is very NAIVE! Should she holds a grudge against this prince NO!, because this one is making different choices and is becoming a better person. However, even in her darkest moments and she went through a lot, she still tried her best in caring for others and only in a moment of despair for her father's un just murder did she harm someone. Him on the other hand made choice after choice to deliberately hurt her, and I know this new prince seems nice but she should not forget. She should forgive to ease her heart and soul but she should not put herself in the hands of someone whose base character is so selfish and vile. If it was me I can accept that he's changed and I would forgive him but I would enter into a relationship with that person again

    Saya January 8, 2020 11:21 pm
    That's a theory alright, but Aristia herself states how people affect each other's changes, which is clearly meant to be the author's intended point here, even if you disagree with the execution.There's also ma... bibachoro-ok

    Oh I'm not taking away his development I can clearly see that he is on a new road and that is commendable and I can see what the author is trying to say about if we change ourselves we affect change in those around us. All that is correct but only up to a certain point. In saying that her self confidence and growth may change her fate with him is basically saying she caused all of what happened to her in the past. That is very NAIVE! Should she holds a grudge against this prince NO!, because this one is making different choices and is becoming a better person. However, even in her darkest moments and she went through a lot, she still tried her best in caring for others and only in a moment of despair for her father's un just murder did she harm someone. Him on the other hand made choice after choice to deliberately hurt her, and I know this new prince seems nice but she should not forget. She should forgive to ease her heart and soul but she should not put herself in the hands of someone whose base character is so selfish and vile. If it was me I can accept that he's changed and I would forgive him but I would enter into a relationship with that person again.

    Saya January 8, 2020 11:22 pm
    That's a theory alright, but Aristia herself states how people affect each other's changes, which is clearly meant to be the author's intended point here, even if you disagree with the execution.There's also ma... bibachoro-ok

    Oh I'm not taking away his development I can clearly see that he is on a new road and that is commendable and I can see what the author is trying to say about if we change ourselves we affect change in those around us. All that is correct but only up to a certain point. In saying that her self confidence and growth may change her fate with him is basically saying she caused all of what happened to her in the past. That is very NAIVE! Should she holds a grudge against this prince NO!, because this one is making different choices and is becoming a better person. However, even in her darkest moments and she went through a lot, she still tried her best in caring for others and only in a moment of despair for her father's un just murder did she harm someone. Him on the other hand made choice after choice to deliberately hurt her, and I know this new prince seems nice but she should not forget. She should forgive to ease her heart and soul but she should not put herself in the hands of someone whose base character is so selfish and vile. If it was me I can accept that he's changed and I would forgive him but I would enter into a relationship with that person again.(● ̄(エ) ̄●)

    Saya January 8, 2020 11:23 pm
    That's a theory alright, but Aristia herself states how people affect each other's changes, which is clearly meant to be the author's intended point here, even if you disagree with the execution.There's also ma... bibachoro-ok

    Oh I'm not taking away his development I can clearly see that he is on a new road and that is commendable and I can see what the author is trying to say about if we change ourselves we affect change in those around us. All that is correct but only up to a certain point. In saying that her self confidence and growth may change her fate with him is basically saying she caused all of what happened to her in the past. That is very NAIVE! Should she holds a grudge against this prince NO!, because this one is making different choices and is becoming a better person. However, even in her darkest moments and she went through a lot, she still tried her best in caring for others and only in a moment of despair for her father's un just murder did she harm someone. Him on the other hand made choice after choice to deliberately hurt her, and I know this new prince seems nice but she should not forget. She should forgive to ease her heart and soul but she should not put herself in the hands of someone whose base character is so selfish and vile. If it was me I can accept that he's changed and I would forgive him but I would enter into a relationship with that person again. YOU MUST BE WISE IN CHOOSING WHO TO GIVE YOUR HEART TO!

    Saya January 8, 2020 11:24 pm
    That's a theory alright, but Aristia herself states how people affect each other's changes, which is clearly meant to be the author's intended point here, even if you disagree with the execution.There's also ma... bibachoro-ok

    Oh I'm not taking away his development I can clearly see that he is on a new road and that is commendable and I can see what the author is trying to say about if we change ourselves we affect change in those around us. All that is correct but only up to a certain point. In saying that her self confidence and growth may change her fate with him is basically saying she caused all of what happened to her in the past. That is very NAIVE! Should she holds a grudge against this prince NO!, because this one is making different choices and is becoming a better person. However, even in her darkest moments and she went through a lot, she still tried her best in caring for others and only in a moment of despair for her father's un just murder did she harm someone. Him on the other hand made choice after choice to deliberately hurt her, and I know this new prince seems nice but she should not forget. She should forgive to ease her heart and soul but she should not put herself in the hands of someone whose base character is so selfish and vile. If it was me I can accept that he's changed and I would forgive him but I would enter into a relationship with that person again. YOU MUST BE WISE IN CHOOSING WHO TO GIVE YOUR HEART TO!

    bibachoro-ok January 9, 2020 12:28 am
    Oh I'm not taking away his development I can clearly see that he is on a new road and that is commendable and I can see what the author is trying to say about if we change ourselves we affect change in those ar... Saya

    Now I see your point. I agree that I don't want her to just fall into his arms - best case scenario, he somehow finds out what that version of him did to her, maybe sees a magic vision about it or smth, and does what he feels he has to to make it up to her. I'm hoping he'll prove himself to her properly regardless, though. But then someone in the threads below mentioned a spoiler that implies maybe his vileness in the first timeline was not under his control after all - which wouldn't surprise me either, with how desperate the Aristocratic faction seems to be to get rid of Aristia, and matches the few random moments of humanity he had. Either way, I'm holding out hope that the journey will make the ending make sense.

    But I don't think saying she has the power to change her future means her earlier fate was her fault or caused BY her. Just that cause and effect are not a straight line, but more like a weave of tiny decisions that all affect each other, constantly being made by everyone on the planet. Her actions changing her fate now does not mean that she was responsible for her first one - it's closer to rows of dominos. She's making decisions right now that end up creating big changes in other people simply because the choices she makes have consequences, and end up affecting the choices other people make as well.

    Saya January 9, 2020 12:42 am
    Now I see your point. I agree that I don't want her to just fall into his arms - best case scenario, he somehow finds out what that version of him did to her, maybe sees a magic vision about it or smth, and doe... bibachoro-ok

    Agreed