:-(

Never really thought about it until I became an adult but yeah, too much use of ‘rape turns into love’ plot devices.

yes! i never really gave it much thought either till i realized consent is literally one of the most important things in the world

Right?? Now I pause when I read and if I feel icky, I stop reading. Or I continue to read and see how the uke/seme reacts to being raped then I make the decision to stop reading or continue

Right. Rape isnt something funny and you dont want to love the one Who raped you. Thats Not even sexy its disgusting to read （￣へ￣）i hate the "you rape me but i love it" theme if you want it and you like It and want more than it isnt rape. (Sorry my bad english) i just feel sad while reading something like this.
The art is so Amazing.
But why are almost all Yaois the same.
Thats why i prefer something like Dark Heaven or Acid Town.

Go read Flaver, Love Replica or Meguro to Akino wa Kizukanai for example. It's more mature approach to the sex and it includes doing it willingly because of (conscious) lust. It's my favourite category of yaoi as well - mutual desire reflected in actions (▰˘◡˘▰)

"Had"? We still don't know how the author is going to handle that aspect of the story. Yet you speak as though it has already happened.

Thank you. I try it out ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

Im still excited for the story i hope they dont Mess this up :-/ like other endings.

yeah! it definitely still has room for lots of growth and I trust the author will make it worth a read. but once stories start off with toxic relationships like this, no matter how the story shifts it won’t change the fact that the painter was abused and raped repeatedly before the shift

There is no romance tag :) so they may not even date ^^

okay? idk how your comment ties in with what i was saying in my original post but i wouldn’t expect anyone who is going to keep reading to anticipate any romance but no matter what their relationship will be that doesn't justify the rape/abuse...

...my point was that if they don't end up together then the story won't be using the "rape turns into love and a relationship" and the " you raped me but I love you so it's ok" trope. Wasn't that your issue? If yes then why did you say it doesn't relate when it does, why did I have to spell it out? It's such an obvious simple point. We do not know how the author will handle the story and the relationship.

Does a story simply including a theme such as rape/abuse make it loose all it's potential to be amazing? Why?

Yeah it won't justify it, I am not saying that it will and I have no idea why you even felt the need to make this point. I am just saying that the "rape to love" trope doesn't have to happen and hasn't happened. However the way you spoke and what you said (e.g. past tense -"had") is as though it already did.

So rape/abuse is a “simple theme” to you? It’s not a theme nor is it “simple”? It’s illegal and traumatizing. My main point wasnt even the “rape turns into a romantic relationship”. Why was that all you took from what I was trying to say? It’s the fact that rape/abuse has become so normalized in stories like this that people like you will come at me for finding it very problematic which it is? I am in no way coming for the author and you know that yet are using them as an excuse to belittle the real topic here. You’re practically defending it at this point. You should fix your morals before even trying to talk ab this so please just end it here...

How dare you? I really mean this, how dare you? What do you think gives you the right to make such absurd accusations? What gives you the right to group me with people who
approve of abusive relationships? I at no point called rape/abuse a simple theme. I at no point defended those actions nor condoned them. I did not belittle those topics. How dare you tell me to fix my morals?

The only wrong thing that I did was that I did not realise that you went from a specific point about this manga to a general point about all manga. All I argued against was the ideas that this story has lost potential because it included a certain theme, my point being that the author did not handle the theme wrongly yet by using the "rape to love" theme.

You wanna know what the funny thing is? You don't know me. If you did then you would know that some of those things are my personal experiences. You would also know that I don't condone rape or abuse but you assumed and decided that it would be lovely to insult my morals and me as a person by twisting everything I said so that I fit into the idea you have of me.

Wanna know what my position is? I mean you did just judge my morals so I presume I should present it to you so that maybe in the future you will actually judge MY morals.
-Rape/abuse = extremely unacceptable, wrong and can have a severe psychological impact. So yes I do consider them to be serious.
-Accurate depictions of rape/abuse which show the impact they can have on an individual
are good as they can spread awareness and show people why they are wrong
-Inaccurate depictions of rape/abuse which romanticise rape are bad and shouldn't be produced e.g. "rape to love". Those are serious topics that shouldn't be taken lightly.
-People who ship the two main characters in the story are really freaking stupid, foolish and ignorant.
-And when it comes to you, I don't see you in a positive light. I really don't know if you did this on purpose or purely by accident but you either purposely twisted things to a crazy degree to spin this story of me being the "rape/abuse defending immoral" person or you just misunderstood things to a extreme degree and decided to start accusing and defining me as someone that I'm not. I hope it's the latter because then at the very least I won't consider you to be despicable human garbage, I will just consider you to be someone who I will not like. Unfortunately I find it hard to believe that it's the latter and I only wrote this down because I hope that it is because otherwise I just know that you would start going off about how I don't actually think what I think because you say so.

Frankly it's not like I even fully disagreed with you. All I argued against (in other words, all i disagreed with) was the first point you made aka the point about this manga loosing potential.

Before I read the last line of what you wrote to me I was actually writing out a response to you because back then I thought that you were actually asking me but after reading the last line I realised that those questions were most likely just statements you believed phrased as questions since clearly must know my moral character so well.

If you argue with me and start telling me how I'm wrong about what I think (not that what I think is wrong but that I actually don't think what I think), then I won't even try to be nice. Because at that point you will be disrespecting me to an extreme degree, even more than you already did. I have never felt this offended in my entire life

Thank you very much for your time and for not respecting me enough as a human being to consider that I can actually think for myself. Thank you so much for for telling me what I think. Thank you for treating me as human garbage. That was so lovely and kind of you.

I hope to never hear from you after this.

With you being the person who commented on My post I don’t owe you a typed essay about all the flaws in your “argument” or to tell you how to think or having to explain myself cause at the end of the day this is the internet and I do not take internet arguments seriously especially not on a website to read free manga and most especially when it comes to such a serious topic as this. So i’ll leave it at that. But thank you for the lengthy story!

And I am not asking for that. I am simply asking for human decency. Bye, let's never talk again.