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Rapey. Really rapey.

joo July 16, 2015 12:05 pm

Rape, coercion and blackmail? The senpai was utterly contemptible. This wasn't a romance, it was an exercise in Stockholm Syndrome.

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    Juno January 27, 2016 4:35 am
    your activism? yo' what activism are you talking about? lololl i asked about stuff to back up your opinion too. i get into this forum after friend passed to me the link. she was pissed by the comments in it. ou... @XXX

    Toad already supported her claims to activism on various threads from way back and has also provided more specific examples of work in Amsterdam and on Vancouver's East Side, among other places. It is not incumbent on any member of this site to provide details that may dox their identities and shame on you for demanding it.

    Besides, the sort of censorship you advocate was already quashed by the US Supreme Court in 1964 with Grove Press, Inc. v. Gerstein, citing Jacobelli vs. Ohio. If the US government, with its culture wars and evangelical block voters, won't even support it, good luck trying to strong-arm Japan into doing so.

    Your claims to activism sound exactly like old-fashioned censorship to me, exactly the opposite of human rights. You seek to silence women. Yaoi is written by women for women, and the rape trope in yaoi is a form of the ravishment fantasy scenario. We know this because the readers who enjoy the rape trope in yaoi tell us so. Yaoi isn't the only place where you will find it, either. It is popular in every form of romance fiction, as well as ordinary fiction. It is a popular trope, not only in manga, literature and other forms of art, but in Classical art, mythology, and history. Look up the Sabine Women. It was even turned into a hugely popular musical and a movie that won an Academy Award.

    Why? Because 60 per cent of women claim to experience the ravishment fantasy as part of their sex lives and they are quite healthy and sane. They are probably a good deal more comfortable with their sexuality than you, from the sound of it, so good luck trying to shame them into dropping the trope. There are ample studies to support this which have been quoted in past discussions. Look them up. Do your homework, "activist", before making claims that you cannot substantiate.

    Speaking of substantiation, you and your "activist" friend were asked to provide evidence to support your claims that yaoi readers "promote rape" (your words) and you haven't done so. You haven't drawn that all important link between the ravishment fantasy and rape tropes in yaoi manga and the actual perpetration of sexual crimes. You haven't shown any examples of yaoi readers who have perpetrated sexual violence as a result of reading rape trope yaoi manga. You can't because it doesn't exist, because it hasn't happened, and there isn't a reader on this site who doesn't know this, except you. Rape tropes do not promote sexual violence, and you cannot prove that they do. Your hypothetical statements that there is a connection are invalid and unsupportable.

    And you have a "friend-who-was-raped" whataboutery. There are survivors on this site who contradict you directly. They have as much freedom to read whatever manga as you. I don't think anybody is sorry that your "friend's" rapist got sent to jail, if that happened. Were you expecting us to defend him or feel sorry? Sorry to disappoint, but no. Nobody supports real life sexual violence, and most of us (apart from a few like you) know the difference between fiction and fantasy.

    This manga also has a warning label, strongly indicated rape-trope tag and many, many spoilers and reviews to ward off readers who are triggered. There is no excuse for any responsible adult to read this who does not want to read a rape-trope story. Tort does not apply if you cannot be bothered to heed the warnings.

    To sum up: You are no human rights activist. You want to censor art and free speech, which is the antithesis of human rights.

    The rape trope is not a promotion of rape in real life, but an expression of the ravishment fantasy and a healthy aspect of female sexuality. If you claim otherwise, you don't understand female sexuality.

    You don't do your homework. You don't substantiate your claims. When you cannot substantiate your claims, so you
    "shout at girls on the internet" instead. Psssst, it isn't effective, because most women who read yaoi have long since gotten past being shamed about their sexuality.

    The warning labels are there for a reason. If you're on an adult site and cannot take adult responsibility for what you read, you have no business being here.

    Wow January 27, 2016 4:51 am
    Toad already supported her claims to activism on various threads from way back and has also provided more specific examples of work in Amsterdam and on Vancouver's East Side, among other places. It is not incum... Juno

    Hot Damn! Remind me to never get into an argument with you and Toad. Amazin! Applause to you also.

    J Unleashed January 27, 2016 5:01 am
    Toad already supported her claims to activism on various threads from way back and has also provided more specific examples of work in Amsterdam and on Vancouver's East Side, among other places. It is not incum... Juno

    http://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-applause-b9aScKLxdv0Y0#

    Pacgirl January 27, 2016 5:34 am
    Toad already supported her claims to activism on various threads from way back and has also provided more specific examples of work in Amsterdam and on Vancouver's East Side, among other places. It is not incum... Juno

    O gawd this is beauty. Such evidence and support. I wish i could like your comment.

    Juno January 27, 2016 6:00 am
    Hot Damn! Remind me to never get into an argument with you and Toad. Amazin! Applause to you also. Wow

    Except the part where I misread "hospital" as "prison". Too bad, if they had succeeded in sending the rapist to prison, that would've been impressive, because I know how hard it is. Sending him to hospital doesn't make them any different than him. Here, she's ranting against girls who read yaoi for "promoting rape" and, in the same breath, confessing online to criminal assault. How stupid can you get?

    Toad wades right in. I mostly sit back and watch her do the lifting.

    This self-styled activist with her cause lost it. She's mixed up her targets, too. Never mind. Let her do her own homework.

    Wow January 27, 2016 6:35 am

    I noticed that, but figured you were so eloquent we all could let that slide. (▰˘◡˘▰). Interesting how proud of themselves they were too. Anyway. I usually also stay out of convos like this because other people seem to be able to get my thoughts across so much easier than I could. I actually didn't like the the follow up comment by the original person that people who "thumbs downed" their comment needed psychotherapy. Like people who don't agree need mental help. Just didn't like that aaaand then proceeded to see rest of convo and had to put in my 2 cents. ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    XXX January 27, 2016 6:51 am
    Toad already supported her claims to activism on various threads from way back and has also provided more specific examples of work in Amsterdam and on Vancouver's East Side, among other places. It is not incum... Juno

    yo' fuckin nuts? when did i say i was a human rights activist or whatever? my friend just passed me the fucking link. i'm the only one commenting. i don't see comments from her or anything from her here. or her account in here. she don't read yaoi. what evidence are you talking about? where the fuck you asked about evidence or whatever to her, when she ain't commenting or me? and how could you know which is her account and she's my friend? what's wrong with you? no one asked me any evidence or whatever. i did ask about links to see different opinions points. i don't give an actual fuck what the other entitled princess do and where her nice lovely life send her or you. like we say on streets of doubled faced sharks, people bitching about others when they are doing the same shit and lying. you sound like pushin your shit too. and yo' where the fuck i talked to you before nuttin princess?

    whataboutery? what the fuck is that? are you making fun of my friend rapes yo' fucking bitch? i don't give a shit about confessing here that me and other friend sent the scum to hospital. i was told doctors induced him a comma. thats how we roll on streets. glad i don't have an account in here. what a bunch of fucking wweird and annoying people. fuck!

    Juno January 27, 2016 6:57 am
    yo' fuckin nuts? when did i say i was a human rights activist or whatever? my friend just passed me the fucking link. i'm the only one commenting. i don't see comments from her or anything from her here. or her... @XXX

    That's the trouble with being a troll, XXX. Nobody believes you.

    Anonymous January 27, 2016 7:06 am
    yo' fuckin nuts? when did i say i was a human rights activist or whatever? my friend just passed me the fucking link. i'm the only one commenting. i don't see comments from her or anything from her here. or her... @XXX

    Your friend "doesn't read yaoi" but passed you the link because she was "pissed off by the comments".

    Anonymous January 27, 2016 7:08 am
    Your friend "doesn't read yaoi" but passed you the link because she was "pissed off by the comments". @Anonymous

    RFLOL, whoops.

    Juno January 27, 2016 7:16 am
    I noticed that, but figured you were so eloquent we all could let that slide. (▰˘◡˘▰). Interesting how proud of themselves they were too. Anyway. I usually also stay out of convos like this because othe... Wow

    I appreciate anyone like you, Toad, Pacgirl, Zomplode, XHolic, JUnleashed or Donna who speak up against the people who come here just to abuse the readers, which is what XXX just admitted to doing. What a creep. People talk about this being a safe place for yaoi lovers, and it's people like you who make it so. I've been lax. I won't be in the future.

    Pacgirl January 27, 2016 7:24 am
    I noticed that, but figured you were so eloquent we all could let that slide. (▰˘◡˘▰). Interesting how proud of themselves they were too. Anyway. I usually also stay out of convos like this because othe... Wow

    Yeah I do the same thing. I'm just not good at getting my thoughts out as well as others can. xD

    Wow January 27, 2016 7:24 am
    I appreciate anyone like you, Toad, Pacgirl, Zomplode, XHolic, JUnleashed or Donna who speak up against the people who come here just to abuse the readers, which is what XXX just admitted to doing. What a creep... Juno

    Right back at ya! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    XXX January 27, 2016 7:26 am
    Except the part where I misread "hospital" as "prison". Too bad, if they had succeeded in sending the rapist to prison, that would've been impressive, because I know how hard it is. Sending him to hospital does... Juno

    again when i talked to you before? stupid because you are a mommys girl locked in a glass bubble. keep in there little princess, you don't stand and survive the real life out here for even a week. we had rules in here and our way of rulin, from the small to the ups. don't compare me to a rapist fuckin' bitch. we ain't saints. we live the hard way. but we don't abuse weak people. forbidden to lay hands, on kids, women, old people. and again what fucking activism are you talking about? what fucking homework? whats your problem with me to make up shit?

    if i don't talk to you, you don't talk to me gottit princess. i don't remember talking to you. i only asked about links to another nuttin.

    Wow January 27, 2016 7:27 am
    Yeah I do the same thing. I'm just not good at getting my thoughts out as well as others can. xD Pacgirl

    They proved our point too! Wasn't that amazing?ヾ(☆▽☆)

    Anonymous January 27, 2016 7:36 am
    again when i talked to you before? stupid because you are a mommys girl locked in a glass bubble. keep in there little princess, you don't stand and survive the real life out here for even a week. we had rules ... @XXX

    ROFLMFAO!

    Who are you pretending to be this time?

    It doesn't look like anyone's threatened or impressed. Sucks to be you.

    Talk here, you talk to everyone. And everyone gets to talk back.

    Guru Of Awesomeness January 27, 2016 7:41 am
    Websites don't mean jack when people aren't paying any attention to them, and so far the response from the Japanese government to your "activism" has been a big yawn, and the kick in the pants, "It's fiction." ... I Thot You Was a Toad

    If it was possible to like replies to comments, I would.
    I applaud you, for you are awesome

    Pacgirl January 27, 2016 8:13 am
    They proved our point too! Wasn't that amazing?ヾ(☆▽☆) Wow

    I certainly still impressed. Man it kind of makes me want to practice
    so I can express myself better in the future. :D

    Wow January 27, 2016 8:30 am

    Me 2!

    XXX January 27, 2016 9:01 am
    That's the trouble with being a troll, XXX. Nobody believes you. Juno

    entitled bitch princess yo' the one takin trouble to feed me. yo' the pissy bitchin back. takin time to answer and makin shit up. i didn't talk to you. yo' forgot that you give me attention first, you FEED me first bitch princess. F E E D M E. suck it. yo' pissy pissy. it's online no one can see your stupid annoyed face. don't worry. the other entitled annoyed princess don't care about it. they also feed me. yo' ain't lonely bitch. i only made one question. and i was serious about it then. wanted to read about different opinion. and yall entitled bitches princess went all nuttin. takin time, givin me attention, and the best making shit up., and i'm a liar just like you. because i only asked a person about links, and you invented a whole of shitl. people not pissed by trolls ignore them. internet is not a place for princess.