i really liked given until i realized that yuki and mafuyu had sex when they were probably...

That’s not how Shota works babe. Take it from me, a teenager. Teenagers fuck (specifically 14-17) other teenagers and they’re not gonna stop anytime soon. As long as they both consent and they’re both the same age it really isn’t a problem. All I can say it it’s only weird if grown people get involved. It’s not shota AT ALL. I’m not trying to be rude or anything, it’s just a little patronising tbh

yes, i know that's not how shota works. i was referring more towards myself because am i supposed to go 'aww, that's so romantic' when i see 13-year-olds sexually active? personally, i do not and that's not my cup of tea as a reader. it is a common trope in yaoi though so i'll take it with a grain of salt. i did say it's 'borderline' shota though, if that makes you feel better.

and well, i guess teenagers have a different point of view? i'm nineteen almost turning twenty. i used to find a bunch of toxic tropes romantic before getting an eye-opener. my comment was more so constructive criticism to the author. they could've made them older but they didn't. with the underlying themes of rape and toxicity, i wouldn't be surprised. perhaps that wasn't their intention but still...

also, is prepubescent sex viewed normal even with consent? i don't really know. as long as they're enjoying it, maybe? i just don't like seeing children have sex in general hahahaha. you may say that i could just stop reading but i wanna see uenoyama get a happy ending, he desperately needs one ugh.

anyway, this is just an opinion. peace.

I don't think any grown up person would find it romantic. What is romantic about kids having sex, anyway? I don't find it romantic either.
I think Teenagers don't think much about whether it's right or wrong. Maybe they just act on their harmones.
I'm not sure of author's intention, but I think many teenagers have sex at such an young age. Since the author writes mostly shounern AI genre, I would like to think that she just showed something that really does happen a lot.
Yes, it is not right but it does happen a lot, so you can call it normal as long as it is consensual, but only if both of them are kids. But not if one person is an adult then that's really disgusting.

Just wanted to tell you that the legal age of consent to have sex in Japan is 13. And in America kids have sex way before legal ages as well. Yea it’s your opinion but you’re making it sound like Yuki was 5 years older than Mafuyu.

And nobody said it was supposed to be romantic. But it’s something that most couples do especially when they are of age.

And I’ve gotta say they’ve never implicitly mentioned they both will have sex. If you’re referring to Yuki’s mention of “let’s have sex in the bathroom” Mafuyu relies with “yeah let’s not”.

well, yes, age of consent is different in japan. i don't live in America either so i don't know how it works there as well. either way, yuki is not the problem. it's neither mafuyu or yuki. i'm just saying that i find 13-year-olds having sex a bit weird lol. i definitely wasn't implying that yuki was 5 years older than mafuyu hahahaha

YES! The story might be good plot wise but there are so many disturbing things in it. Prepubescent teens having sex in shounen ai mangas creep me out as well.

you shouldn’t judge people on their sex lives.. people can literally get raped at that age , and this was consensual. along with the fact the age to have sex in japan is 13. it’s like judging their race and culture..

uhh, i literally said that this was nothing against mafuyu or yuki. this was a personal matter, a personal opinion. because PERSONALLY, i do not like reading young characters have sex. this has nothing to do with consent. this entire thread was a PERSONAL opinion. a PERSONAL preference. you're making this more serious lol